*Official* England in Bangladesh Thread

[Craig]

Marc have you been at the pub? If not you have just made me laugh.

 

[Mr Mxyzptlk]

And is this Tests or ODI?

Either way I feel he's a bit low there.

Better bowler than JK and better with the bat than SP.

 

[marc71178]

I missed out the One Day part - in One days he's definitely a better bowler than Kallis (Avg 24.46 vs 30.81, S/R 34.9 vs 39.2, Eco 4.20 vs 4.70) and better batsman than Pollock (Avg 29.84 vs. 23.43, 10 50's in 56 innings vs. 7 in 132)

 

[Rik]

I missed out the One Day part - in One days he's definitely a better bowler than Kallis (Avg 24.46 vs 30.81, S/R 34.9 vs 39.2, Eco 4.20 vs 4.70) and better batsman than Pollock (Avg 29.84 vs. 23.43, 10 50's in 56 innings vs. 7 in 132)

Well, Kallis I'll give you, but Pollock...errrm...no, sorry I can't. Yes Flintoff has a better average and has just hit Bangladesh for 2 unbeaten 50s but Pollock is a member of such a strong batting order that he has to bat really low and when he comes out he's usually only got a few overs to hit out. In Tests he shows his real ability, an average of 33+ shows his talent, despite batting low down again. I'm not going to just go on Stats, I look at Pollock and I look at Flintoff and Pollock has the technique of a top order batsman, just the mentality of a man batting in his position and who knows he has to open the bowling soon anyway.

 

[Craig]

I missed out the One Day part - in One days he's definitely a better bowler than Kallis (Avg 24.46 vs 30.81, S/R 34.9 vs 39.2, Eco 4.20 vs 4.70) and better batsman than Pollock (Avg 29.84 vs. 23.43, 10 50's in 56 innings vs. 7 in 132)

Yet it is not ok for me to use stats in my post for my arguements, yet it is ok for you to do that.

Hypocrite.

 

[marc71178]

Yet it is not ok for me to use stats in my post for my arguements, yet it is ok for you to do that.

Hypocrite.

???

Please explain this?

 

[Rik]

Solanki finishes the series with 11 runs at an average of 3.66, he's now made only 2 scores over 12 since his return to the England ODI side, a 50 and that 106...seriously I don't know why they didn't give Strauss a go, Solanki's technique is only effective on good pitches and he's just too loose to open the batting as he showed again today.

Full marks though to Mushfiqur Rahman, 5 wickets in the 3 games at 18.20 with an econ of 3.50! Even contributed with the bat in this game scoring 36. He's been the bane of Vaughan and Solanki in this series.

 

[badgerhair]

Solanki finishes the series with 11 runs at an average of 3.66, he's now made only 2 scores over 12 since his return to the England ODI side, a 50 and that 106...seriously I don't know why they didn't give Strauss a go,

I wonder whether Strauss will play at Dambulla on Friday, in preparation for him being given the nod for the SL games.

Cheers,

Mike

 

[Rik]

I wonder whether Strauss will play at Dambulla on Friday, in preparation for him being given the nod for the SL games.

Cheers,

Mike

Doubt it, the England selectors decided Solanki was good enough earlier this season and anything that endangers that view (like someone doing better), will not be allowed to happen to save their faces.

 

[Neil Pickup]

Doubt it, the England selectors decided Solanki was good enough earlier this season and anything that endangers that view (like someone doing better), will not be allowed to happen to save their faces.

*Waits with intrigue for the team to be announced for Dambulla*

*Expects Strauss to play*

*Hasn't disagreed with the selectors much of late*

 

[Rik]

*Waits with intrigue for the team to be announced for Dambulla*

*Expects Strauss to play*

*Hasn't disagreed with the selectors much of late*

*Also waits with intrigue*

*Expects Stauss to play only if they decide to give Solanki a break, though they will probably want him to get some practise before the series*

*Has*

 

[marc71178]

* unsure why Strauss was selected for the One Day side anyway, but hopes to see him replace Solanki *

* agrees with Neil re: selectors *

* wonders how long Freddie's run of form with bat AND ball will continue *

 

[marc71178]

1.J Kallis
2.C Cairns (when bowling at full fitness)
3.S Pollock
4.A Flintoff

* consults PwC *

* Notices that Flintoff is officially the number 1 all rounder in ODI cricket (20th in batting and 6th in bowling)

 

[Craig]

* unsure why Strauss was selected for the One Day side anyway, but hopes to see him replace Solanki *

* agrees with Neil re: selectors *

* wonders how long Freddie's run of form with bat AND ball will continue *

There is nothing special about his bowling.

And his form with the bat will run until he faces some quality bowling in the name of Vaas and Murali.

 

[marc71178]

So in 2003 he takes wickets, and concedes much less than 4 an over in ODI's and is ranked number 6 in the world - nothing special there!

I notice that he's made runs against the likes of Pollock and Ntini (both ranked top 5 in ODI's) - so what's to say he won't against Murali (agreed class) and Vaas (inconsistent) ?

Mind you, it's not as if his last 5 knocks (when he's had a chance to have a proper bat) have been under any sort of pressure is it?

47* (37) from 25-4
54 (40) from 30-3
55* (52) from 55-3
70* (47) from 37-3
52* (39) from 102-3

 

[Rik]

There is nothing special about his bowling.

And his form with the bat will run until he faces some quality bowling in the name of Vaas and Murali.

Now I've been one of Freddie's staunchest critics of late, but even I can't agree with this.

If there's nothing special about his bowling how did he bowl those 10 overs against India in the WC? How come his bowling average and econ are plummeting? How can there not be special about his bowling when he's barely going for more than 3.5 an over during the last year? In ODIs he's an outstanding player, in Tests his style with bat and ball do not reward consistant success.

 

[Craig]

How much of his wickets were from good bowling rather then batsmen getting themselves out?

I dont think Ntini bowled well in the tri-series to be honest. He did bowl some rather bad balls.

 

[Rik]

How much of his wickets were from good bowling rather then batsmen getting themselves out?

From what I saw in the summer, a lot of them were from good bowling. You can't fluke a fast-decreasing econ-rate. Believe me when Flintoff pulls on the blue PJs he becomes a totally different player.

 

[Craig]

Oh know that and have felt he is better in the one-day game then in the longer version of the game, I just dont see his bowling very good.

Oh and btw Marc could you give a link to the PwC Ratings, as I had a look on the 'net at one set of ratings and there was not a chance in hell that Flintoff was in the top ten for batting and bowling.

These were the ICC ratings and are just about up today by a couple of days.

 

[luckyeddie]

Oh know that and have felt he is better in the one-day game then in the longer version of the game, I just dont see his bowling very good.

Oh and btw Marc could you give a link to the PwC Ratings, as I had a look on the 'net at one set of ratings and there was not a chance in hell that Flintoff was in the top ten for batting and bowling.

These were the ICC ratings and are just about up today by a couple of days.

According to the PwC, he's 6th in bowling and 20th in batting

cricinfo link