*Official* England in Bangladesh Thread

[Richard]

I assume you have a lot of facts to back this up?

The best I can do is Hussain's diary about a year ago "return to Hotel. Gilo and Vaughanie now inseperable".
Whether this proves much I don't know, but I don't think it's had any influence on selection - the reason I think Giles got, and IMO deserved, his selection is because, before The First Test this series, out of 8 Tests played on the subcontinent he'd done well in 5 of them.

Like it or not, he is our number one spinner, and a handy number 8 to boot.

OK, he may not turn it a mile, but how many people brought up in England do?

How many fingerspinners playing anywhere but the subcontinent or West Indies do?
None. It's simply not possible to spin the ball enough with your fingers to achieve significant (ie that will threaten a decent batsman) turn on a pitch typical to England, New Zealand, South Africa, Zimbabwe or Australia.
If you want to take wickets in conditions typical to these countries against competant batting when bowling slow you've got to spin it with your wrists - full-stop. Warne, Mushtaq and Murali do - and they've achieved success. How many fingerspinners have achieved success in a Test-series in England recently? Daniel Vettori's about the only one. And he's somehow a special case. The only fingerspinner I'd have in his country's Test XI on any pitch. Though England's batting wasn't exactly something to write home about that series.

 

[Rik]

I guess it is more appropriate - OK, it's only Bangladesh, but his figures in ODI's particularly are on a definite upturn.

Where would he rank in terms of AR's in ODIs?

Top 2 or 3 IMO.

Probably number 2-3 with Kallis at number 1. In Tests...not even on the list.

 

[Craig]

Surely Heath Streak would be up there in both forms of the game. I think he is up there in ODIs behind Kallis, and Pollock, and if Cairns were at his best, then so would he.

Top 2 or 3 might be going a little bit to far. About 4 or 5 would be the likely place.

 

[Rik]

Can't believe an International went on without a single post!

Well it's because it was as boring and predictible as watching paint dry.

 

[Craig]

WTF is going on?

Bangladesh 7/3 off 9 overs.

Sarkar went for 0, Nafis Iqbal went for 4 and Moniruzzaman went for 0 - it is Moniruzzaman's ODI debut.


James Anderson
5-3-2-2
Richard Johnson
4-0-5-1

I supose it is no surprise in the end.

Mr Extra's is currantly 1* with one wide. Man he is good.

 

[Mr. P]

Better make that 8/4 craig.:O Anderson of fire.

 

[Craig]

England team: ME Trescothick, VS Solanki, *MP Vaughan, PD Collingwood, A Flintoff, R Clarke, ID Blackwell, +CMW Read, AF Giles, RL Johnson, JM Anderson.

 

[Kimbo]

Bangladesh 26/4 from 19 overs. Racing along. I once watched a game where the side batting first made 64 from 50 overs... i wonder if Bangladesh are heading that way.

 

[Mr Mxyzptlk]

Will they last 50 overs though?

BTW, score is 69/6 after 33.

Anderson 8-4-8-2
Jonhson 6-0-10-2
Flintoff 6-2-13-0
Clarke 7-2-19-1
Giles 6-1-18-1

Clearly Giles has been the expensive bowler. :P

 

[Neil Pickup]

Bangladesh once again retreating into their shells whilst England stick the change bowlers on.

Anderson's figures aren't bad are they?

 

[Rik]

Mr Extra's is currantly 1* with one wide. Man he is good.

Good one

 

[Rik]

Yet another reason why I think they shouldn't be playing ODIs...

Giles bowls 3 full tosses at the end, one goes for 4 byes, the other 2 are the last 2 balls of the innings which Tapash belts for 4...

I still can't work out why they are so scared of Clarke, even the worst county batsmen have smashed him everywhere...

 

[Rik]

Bangladesh pick Moniruzzaman, who everyone has never heard of before and he gets a 0...

Want a reason why? In 8 FC games in Bangladesh's FC competition he has scored 160 runs in 16 innings at an average of 10.00 with a highest score of 32. In 6 OD games in Bangladesh's OD competition he has scored 44 runs in 6 innings at an average of 7.33 and a highest score of 13...

And this player has replaced Habibul Bashar at number 3???

 

[Rik]

As if to make it obvious, Moniruzzaman drops a simple catch off Flintoff. Add that to his 7 ball quack and it's quite academic, Bangladesh cannot afford to pick players like this.

 

[Neil Pickup]

Bangladesh pick Moniruzzaman, who everyone has never heard of before and he gets a 0...

He is apparently top of the domestic batting averages.

I am confused.

And you never drop Habibul anyway!

Whatever, Flintoff is God.

 

[marc71178]

Giles bowls 3 full tosses at the end, one goes for 4 byes, the other 2 are the last 2 balls of the innings which Tapash belts for 4...

He should bowl it flat!

 

[Langeveldt]

Yep.. Bangladesh are the most boring team I have ever seen...

Not only do they crawl along frequently at "sod all an over" but they also fail to get out in interesting manners... Again just following the ball and edging it to slip or WK... I know they get put under the cosh, but so do Zimbabwe, and they entertain me plenty...

Khaled Mahmud came out, and I thought they were going to have a riot when he again failed with the bat...

I feel very very sorry for Dav Whatmore....

 

[Langeveldt]

Well, its taken lots and lots of convincing (Anna!) but Im sort of won over now by this "Flintoff" bloke...

An exceptional finish against SA, and some scintillating displays against Bangladesh, i think this guy is an awesome batsman.. But im not totally convinced about the bowling side, so here is where he stands in my list of all rounders...


1.J Kallis
2.C Cairns (when bowling at full fitness)
3.S Pollock
4.A Flintoff

 

[Neil Pickup]

2.C Cairns (when bowling at full fitness)

Cairns never will hit that peak again.

 

[marc71178]

And is this Tests or ODI?

Either way I feel he's a bit low there.

Better bowler than JK and better with the bat than SP.