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***Official*** Australia vs New Zealand ODIs 2016/17

TheJediBrah

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Zinzan said:
Nah, no hissy fit at all, it's all relative, just like it's a massive deal for Australia with their relatively small population when they play a huge country like India with 1.3 billion people. I see your argument.
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smh I was trying to throw you a bone
 
The Hutt Rec

The Hutt Rec

International Vice-Captain
Moss said:
It's worth thinking about why the Chappell-Hadlee was revived after a long hiatus - NZ's performance during the world cup and especially the watchability of that Eden Park game. For that I credit BMac who did turn NZ cricket into a "brand" at the time. I mean, those soundbites about "expressing yourself", "aggressive brand of cricket" etc may have made us cringe but they were an essential marketing gimmick and were for the most part backed up on the field. As a (fellow Indian) friend remarked to ne recently "McCullum made the game more interesting."

While I'm willing to accept KW has his own style and needs time to find it, I also fear there's almost an expectation from observers (particularly overseas) that NZ live up to the brand and deliver exciting cricket in ordee to continue getting high profile fixtures (like the current series). What we saw at Manuka was the opposite of that. Of course KW isn't helped by having an under-strength and somewhat compromised-on-quality side.
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Let's face it, based on our last three tours we're not going to be getting invited anywhere in a big hurry
 
Spark

Spark

Global Moderator
Smith and Warner have scored 40 (!!!) hundreds in all formats for Aus in the last 3 years. Which is more than half of all hundreds scored by Aus bats.
 
Furball

Furball

Evil Scotsman
vcs said:
Was the Hadlee team the last NZ side to beat Australia over a Test series? It's really ridiculous that they give Boxing Day Tests to WI, while NZ and SA have to settle for being the "appetizers"..
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It's South Africa's own decision not to tour over Christmas because they've got their own home summer.
 
thierry henry

thierry henry

International Coach
Flem274* said:
i don't care whether we win every chappell hadlee game ever

it will never ever make up for the world cup final or the five tests last summer

the only thing that will make those up is beating australia in test series' or winning odis that actually matter against them, and the only time we've done that recently was eden park pool game.

this series, every odi series, is world cup practice. hesson knows it. kane knows it. steve smith knows it.

chappell-hadlee is just fun, it has often produced some awesome games, but it's practice for the real thing. no one outside NZ remembers the 2-1 chappell-hadlee result last summer. everyone remembers NZs undefeated run to the world final.

if nz were taking this remotely seriously todd astle wouldn't be over there and the team wouldn't be full of the #intentrounders.
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I care. I'm sure the players care. The thousands of people watching the game care. Of course there is a continuum of "care factor" but you are being too all-or-nothing about it. If you want to dig really deep into the nitty gritty of it, the players are playing for their livelihoods. Doing well benefits them, makes them money, feeds their kids. It's better than doing badly. They are also obliged to provide an entertainment product to paying customers. So on a pretty fundamental level, of course they care and of course they are trying to win and therefore it remains worth my while to watch it and invest myself in it to an extent. It's fun.

If I just decided that no ODIs ever mattered apart from the World Cup then I would be choosing to dramatically reduce the amount of meaningful cricket available for me to watch. 3 out of 4 seasons I would be choosing to adopt this fatalistic "no-one cares, it doesn't matter, what does it all mean?" attitude when I could instead be enhancing my existence by watching competitive sport and taking an interest in my team achieving victory.

It's way more funner going about it this way imo
 
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SteveNZ

Cricketer Of The Year
Flem274* said:
i don't care whether we win every chappell hadlee game ever

it will never ever make up for the world cup final or the five tests last summer

the only thing that will make those up is beating australia in test series' or winning odis that actually matter against them, and the only time we've done that recently was eden park pool game.

this series, every odi series, is world cup practice. hesson knows it. kane knows it. steve smith knows it.

chappell-hadlee is just fun, it has often produced some awesome games, but it's practice for the real thing. no one outside NZ remembers the 2-1 chappell-hadlee result last summer. everyone remembers NZs undefeated run to the world final.

if nz were taking this remotely seriously todd astle wouldn't be over there and the team wouldn't be full of the #intentrounders.
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Again, fair enough you have your opinion. I imagine we'll look back on last season's CH thread and see Flem taking absolutely no thrill out of us winning the series? Or as I suspect, it didn't 'make up' (whatever that may mean) for the World Cup but it felt bloody great.

Is this ODI practice? Yeah, spose it is. But I don't get why people look for some sort of life-changing context to every match played. It's a series, and the next match is an encounter, against our arch enemies. Beating them, whether Mike Hussey turns up to captain a bunch of bums or whether it's their all time XI, is sweet as ****. At least to me.

Out of interest, who would be there if we were taking it seriously? I'm not aware of too many people available - Corey aside - who were available but not picked. I can't think of one player in our side not taking it deadly seriously. Guys like Gup have made a bigger name for themselves by scoring against a good side in Australia. Kane has wanted to build a new captaincy reign and do it against the world's best. A lot of guys are playing for places. ALL of them want to perform in front of Aussie crowds and impress our home fans too ahead of a home summer. And we're taking it dead seriously. So are Australia, hence why no one is rested. Looked like Steve Smith and co were pretty serious to me.

Ask Mike Hesson if it's just all fun. Winning over there could form part of his legacy. Now he's battling ahead of a potentially long summer.
 
Blocky

Blocky

Banned
Something isn't right in the setup,

I've never seen an NZ side field this badly and even in the tests there were catches that we'd normally swallow.
I've never seen an NZ ODI side feature such an unbalanced/unplanned batting line up, outside the top four no one else really has a plan or a repeatable process because ultimately none know what their actual role is.
I've never seen an NZ ODI side (in this era) have issues with no balls, wides and extras.

I've seen sides that have been listless at the bowling death before; but I haven't seen a captain get it so wrong as to not only have Henry bowling in the last ten, but to have him bowling in the last 5 including the last over just shows me they're not aware of their own strengths and weaknesses as a collective unit.

Something isn't right in the Williamhesson era.
 
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