***Official*** Australia vs New Zealand ODIs 2016/17

[Blocky]

Cool, cricket can save so much time in future

When a team runs away and scores 350+ in a fixture, instead of the other team having their innings, they can just forfeit because it's not likely that they'll get the runs and they shouldn't even try.

 

[OverratedSanity]

What would be the dream team to chase down 380 I wonder?

Warner, Kohli, Amla, AB, de Kock, Guptill, Rohit?

Dhoni? Although on current form, no.

 

[Athlai]

Cool, cricket can save so much time in future

When a team runs away and scores 350+ in a fixture, instead of the other team having their innings, they can just forfeit because it's not likely that they'll get the runs and they shouldn't even try.

Well in the 88 instances a batting team has gone 350+, they have only lost 4 times. And by they, I mean Australia. They are the only team to have lost when surpassing 350 in the first innings (which they have done 16 times).

Team records | One-Day Internationals | Cricinfo Statsguru | ESPN Cricinfo

 

[Zinzan]

What would be the dream team to chase down 380 I wonder?

Warner, Kohli, Amla, AB, de Kock, Guptill, Rohit?

There or thereabouts

 

[Zinzan]

Dhoni? Although on current form, no.

Lol, only if we turn the clock back to 2004-2012.

 

[Blocky]

All examples of Australia being beaten, teams were 100 in 16-18 overs and accelerated from the 20th over onwards; all that proves to me is that we approached it with the wrong tactics and the two guys that you all seem to want to praise for heady batting were actually cancerous to our chances.

Anyway, going around in circles, you be bear food, I'll get myself rescued.

 

[OverratedSanity]

Lol, only if we turn the clock back to 2004-2012.

That's why I said "on current form, no"

 

[Zinzan]

That's why I said "on current form, no"

Yes, although current form usually indicates something relatively recent, not 4-5 years ago

I'm still scratching my head as to what Dhoni was thinking in the '15 WC semi when chasing a big total, so for me he's been out of that elite group for quite some time now.

 

[Moss]

Who do NZ bowl at the death now? Seems any combination they use is likely to leak a 100 or so. This is probably where McCleneghan and Milne are being missed.

 

[Days of Grace]

Anyway, going around in circles, you be bear food, I'll get myself rescued.

Cuz your method would work 100 times out of 100.

 

[OverratedSanity]

Yes, although current form usually indicates something relatively recent, not 4-5 years ago

I'm still scratching my head as to what Dhoni was thinking in the '15 WC semi when chasing a big total, so for me he's been out of that elite group for quite some time now.

4-5 years is complete bollocks

 

[Zinzan]

4-5 years is complete bollocks

Long enough a period to be more than 'recent' anyway. QDK over Dhoni any day of the week for me these days, it's a no contest.

 

[Zinzan]

Who do NZ bowl at the death now? Seems any combination they use is likely to leak a 100 or so. This is probably where McCleneghan and Milne are being missed.

McCleneghan has to be in the squad at the very least with Milne injured. Guy bowls at the death in the toughest T20 comp in the world in which most NZ'ders wouldn't even make the squad.

 

[Dan]

Cuz your method would work 100 times out of 100.

tbf, he's not saying it would.

In all honesty, I think people are caring about the results of a JAMODI too much. Aus made 380 on the basis of awful NZ bowling, Guptill went early, the game has zero context or meaning; may as well let some guys use it to find form in match conditions while still keeping the win a very outside chance, rather than going all out on an outside chance of winning and lol-apsing for 150 in 20 overs instead.

I mean, Neesham has some experience batting top order against a good attack now, which is handy if they're planning on using Neesham as a top order bat (or batting cover) in the CT or 2019 WC. Not ideal for sure, obvs you want to win, but may as well gain the experience/knowledge that you can in a game that was a foregone conclusion when Guptill went.

 

[Zinzan]

tbf, he's not saying it would.

In all honesty, I think people are caring about the results of a JAMODI too much.

It's certainly not the fact we're 2-0 down that irks me, & I'm sure it's the same with most kiwi posters, It's the embarrassing nature of how we've played.

I'm struggling to think if two worse performances in the field by a NZ side in the last decade than the last two games.

 

[Zinzan]

Furthermore, I think they summed it up on the English coverage when they said, "This just isn't a NZ side we recognise is it?'

Interesting that Swann then suggested NZ have got to get angry & not just lay down or it will be another humiliating mauling at the MCG.

What a difference after that amazing Aust/India ODI series last year.

 

[Blocky]

tbf, he's not saying it would.

In all honesty, I think people are caring about the results of a JAMODI too much. Aus made 380 on the basis of awful NZ bowling, Guptill went early, the game has zero context or meaning; may as well let some guys use it to find form in match conditions while still keeping the win a very outside chance, rather than going all out on an outside chance of winning and lol-apsing for 150 in 20 overs instead.

I mean, Neesham has some experience batting top order against a good attack now, which is handy if they're planning on using Neesham as a top order bat (or batting cover) in the CT or 2019 WC. Not ideal for sure, obvs you want to win, but may as well gain the experience/knowledge that you can in a game that was a foregone conclusion when Guptill went.

Basically this.

 

[OverratedSanity]

Long enough a period to be more than 'recent' anyway. QDK over Dhoni any day of the week for me these days, it's a no contest.

I mean, I don't even disagree. I started the thing by saying Dhoni wouldn't make it on current form. Was confusedd whether Athlai meant that team was just on current ability or just active players.

 

[Athlai]

Since India overs 35 onwards

Boult 196 @ 28 economy 8.17
CDG 35 @ 35 @ economy 11.67
Southee 108 @ 27 economy 6.35
Henry 112 @ 56 economy 9.33
Santner 68 @ 29 economy 4.14
Ferguson 35 @ - economy 11.67
Neesham 62 @ 62 economy 10.33
Sodhi 29 @ 14.5 economy 7.25
Anderson 8 @ - economy 8
Devcich 7 @ - economy 7
Guptill 6 @ 3 economy 6

Southee Boult and Santner should be bowling at least 12 of our death overs.

Edit: worth mentioning it's runs/ average per wicket/ economy

 

[SteveNZ]

tbf, he's not saying it would.

In all honesty, I think people are caring about the results of a JAMODI too much. Aus made 380 on the basis of awful NZ bowling, Guptill went early, the game has zero context or meaning; may as well let some guys use it to find form in match conditions while still keeping the win a very outside chance, rather than going all out on an outside chance of winning and lol-apsing for 150 in 20 overs instead.

I mean, Neesham has some experience batting top order against a good attack now, which is handy if they're planning on using Neesham as a top order bat (or batting cover) in the CT or 2019 WC. Not ideal for sure, obvs you want to win, but may as well gain the experience/knowledge that you can in a game that was a foregone conclusion when Guptill went.

Context...it has context. For us, at least. Chappell Hadlee means a significant amount to New Zealanders. As does competing in Australia, where 'big brother' (I hate that term) feels like we have no chance, and we're not exactly proving them wrong. Not sure what JAM stands for but if it's just another meaningless, then I don't think that's applicable for anyone, players or supporters, on this side of the Tasman at all. Why would all our posters be getting so fired up? We wouldn't have been if we were flogged in India (which we were in the decider, and no one cared too much).

It's just been hard to take for the amateurness of everything we've done over there.