***Official*** Australia vs New Zealand ODIs 2016/17

[thierry henry]

Context...it has context. For us, at least. Chappell Hadlee means a significant amount to New Zealanders. As does competing in Australia, where 'big brother' (I hate that term) feels like we have no chance, and we're not exactly proving them wrong. Not sure what JAM stands for but if it's just another meaningless, then I don't think that's applicable for anyone, players or supporters, on this side of the Tasman at all. Why would all our posters be getting so fired up? We wouldn't have been if we were flogged in India (which we were in the decider, and no one cared too much).

It's just been hard to take for the amateurness of everything we've done over there.

Yeah...I'm not ashamed to admit this series is a big deal for me (I suspect some other NZ fans here are almost shamed into downplaying it because none of the Aussies care and we don't want to seem uncool?)

Given we played a series 9-10 months ago and have another series against Aus coming up later it does seem to be verging on overkill, but an ODI series against Australia has always been a big deal for NZ. Add to that, the Chappell-Hadlee for whatever reason has led to some sensational cricket over the years so it absolutely does mean something to us. Objectively speaking in the early series from 2004/05 to 2009/10 there was an inordinate amount of crazy games- like McCullum and Hamish Marshall unexpectedly hitting us home in one game and then Kyle Mills smashing sixes and almost getting us home with a one-armed Chris Harris in another in 2004/05, 4 separate 330 v 330 nail-biters spread over 05/06 and 06/07, tight series in 08/09 and 09/10 with Grant Elliott centuries, Johnson headbutting Styris etc....this may mean nothing to Aussie fans who apparently have almost a blanket "don't care" policy for bilateral ODI series, but they are famous moments in NZ cricket.

Someone shoot me if I ever become too cool to care about a "JAMODI" series against Australia.

 

[Mike5181]

I don't even really care what Australians do or don't think about the significance of this series. For whatever reason this whole Chappell/Hadlee deal has produced some of the more memorable ODIs I can remember, so I do care about it.

 

[Blocky]

It's the Bledisloe; we only care when we don't win it, same as them for the Chappelli Hadlee

 

[Moss]

It's worth thinking about why the Chappell-Hadlee was revived after a long hiatus - NZ's performance during the world cup and especially the watchability of that Eden Park game. For that I credit BMac who did turn NZ cricket into a "brand" at the time. I mean, those soundbites about "expressing yourself", "aggressive brand of cricket" etc may have made us cringe but they were an essential marketing gimmick and were for the most part backed up on the field. As a (fellow Indian) friend remarked to ne recently "McCullum made the game more interesting."

While I'm willing to accept KW has his own style and needs time to find it, I also fear there's almost an expectation from observers (particularly overseas) that NZ live up to the brand and deliver exciting cricket in ordee to continue getting high profile fixtures (like the current series). What we saw at Manuka was the opposite of that. Of course KW isn't helped by having an under-strength and somewhat compromised-on-quality side.

 

[cnerd123]

my personal knee jerk is chapman for odis

Keep your hands off him please

Kind Regards,

Hong Kong Cricket

 

[Mike5181]

**** Hong Kong cricket.

 

[srbhkshk]

btw a team of 7 Virat Kohlis would probably chase it down with 20 overs to spare

Nah, Kohli(s?) take the exact amount of risk as the situation demands, no more and no less, He'll chase it in 30 only if you asked him to do it in 33.

 

[SteveNZ]

It's the Bledisloe; we only care when we don't win it, same as them for the Chappelli Hadlee

Then they should care, they lost it last year. I care a lot about the Bledisloe, I'm bloody proud we haven't lost it since 03 and enjoy the contest every year. I don't care what they do, the CH will always be bloody exciting. It was exciting when we won 3-0 v an under-strength side, won 2-1 earlier this, and when we've got our arses kicked.

Thierry nailed it. Someone shoot me if I ever think a series against Australia isn't worth getting fired up about.

 

[cnerd123]

**** Hong Kong cricket.

Always love a good MMA reference

 

[TheJediBrah]

Then they should care, they lost it last year. I care a lot about the Bledisloe, I'm bloody proud we haven't lost it since 03 and enjoy the contest every year. I don't care what they do, the CH will always be bloody exciting. It was exciting when we won 3-0 v an under-strength side, won 2-1 earlier this, and when we've got our arses kicked.

Thierry nailed it. Someone shoot me if I ever think a series against Australia isn't worth getting fired up about.

If anything it's weird to think that it would mean the same to both sides. NZ will always be seen as underdogs, even if they are a better side. They're a much smaller country with much less people.

It's like if you had a team of club cricketers get an opportunity to play against international cricketers, of course it's going to mean more to the club cricketers, it could be a highlight of their lives. But the international cricketers probably couldn't give a ****.

Of course that's an extreme example, and before you go throwing a hissy fit (Zinzan) I'm not saying that the difference in quality between the sides is equivalent to the distance between international cricketers and club cricketers. It's an analogy of sorts.

Bottom line, it's not unusual that NZ care more about the Chappell-Hadlee trophy

 

[Zinzan]

Yeah...I'm not ashamed to admit this series is a big deal for me (I suspect some other NZ fans here are almost shamed into downplaying it because none of the Aussies care and we don't want to seem uncool?)

Given we played a series 9-10 months ago and have another series against Aus coming up later it does seem to be verging on overkill, but an ODI series against Australia has always been a big deal for NZ. Add to that, the Chappell-Hadlee for whatever reason has led to some sensational cricket over the years so it absolutely does mean something to us. Objectively speaking in the early series from 2004/05 to 2009/10 there was an inordinate amount of crazy games- like McCullum and Hamish Marshall unexpectedly hitting us home in one game and then Kyle Mills smashing sixes and almost getting us home with a one-armed Chris Harris in another in 2004/05, 4 separate 330 v 330 nail-biters spread over 05/06 and 06/07, tight series in 08/09 and 09/10 with Grant Elliott centuries, Johnson headbutting Styris etc....this may mean nothing to Aussie fans who apparently have almost a blanket "don't care" policy for bilateral ODI series, but they are famous moments in NZ cricket.

Someone shoot me if I ever become too cool to care about a "JAMODI" series against Australia.

What happened to you? You used to be cool

 

[SteveNZ]

If anything it's weird to think that it would mean the same to both sides. NZ will always be seen as underdogs, even if they are a better side. They're a much smaller country with much less people.

It's like if you had a team of club cricketers get an opportunity to play against international cricketers, of course it's going to mean more to the club cricketers, it could be a highlight of their lives. But the international cricketers probably couldn't give a ****.

Of course that's an extreme example, and before you go throwing a hissy fit (Zinzan) I'm not saying that the difference in quality between the sides is equivalent to the distance between international cricketers and club cricketers. It's an analogy of sorts.

Bottom line, it's not unusual that NZ care more about the Chappell-Hadlee trophy

I don't think it would mean the same - the 'it should matter' was based on Blocky saying it was like the Bledisloe to us, ie we only care when we lose, yet we're the CH defending champions (well, were) and there was not much care from the other side of the Tasman. I couldn't honestly care less, in fact if Australia want to take it lightly I'd be stoked. Unfortunately this week they haven't and we've been trounced.

Don't go throwing around poor analogies my man...we've already had the grizzly bear one.

Bottom line for me and sounds like others, we are happy for Australia not to care. We'll get fired up every time regardless.

 

[Zinzan]

If anything it's weird to think that it would mean the same to both sides. NZ will always be seen as underdogs, even if they are a better side. They're a much smaller country with much less people.

It's like if you had a team of club cricketers get an opportunity to play against international cricketers, of course it's going to mean more to the club cricketers, it could be a highlight of their lives. But the international cricketers probably couldn't give a ****.

Of course that's an extreme example, and before you go throwing a hissy fit (Zinzan) I'm not saying that the difference in quality between the sides is equivalent to the distance between international cricketers and club cricketers. It's an analogy of sorts.

Nah, no hissy fit at all, it's all relative, just like it's a massive deal for Australia with their relatively small population when they play a huge country like India with 1.3 billion people. I see your argument.

 

[SteveNZ]

It's all good. Until we start matching it with Australia in the Test arena consistently, they should belittle us. That's where the respect should come from. Then they'll get fired up, and we might get a Boxing Day Test too over someone like the West ****ing Indies.

Anyway. We better lift at the G.

 

[Flem274*]

i don't care whether we win every chappell hadlee game ever

it will never ever make up for the world cup final or the five tests last summer

the only thing that will make those up is beating australia in test series' or winning odis that actually matter against them, and the only time we've done that recently was eden park pool game.

this series, every odi series, is world cup practice. hesson knows it. kane knows it. steve smith knows it.

chappell-hadlee is just fun, it has often produced some awesome games, but it's practice for the real thing. no one outside NZ remembers the 2-1 chappell-hadlee result last summer. everyone remembers NZs undefeated run to the world final.

if nz were taking this remotely seriously todd astle wouldn't be over there and the team wouldn't be full of the #intentrounders.

 

[Zinzan]

i don't care whether we win every chappell hadlee game ever

it will never ever make up for the world cup final or the five tests last summer

the only thing that will make those up is beating australia in test series' or winning odis that actually matter against them, and the only time we've done that recently was eden park pool game.

this series, every odi series, is world cup practice. hesson knows it. kane knows it. steve smith knows it.

chappell-hadlee is just fun, it has often produced some awesome games, but it's practice for the real thing. no one outside NZ remembers the 2-1 chappell-hadlee result last summer. everyone remembers NZs undefeated run to the world final.

if nz were taking this remotely seriously todd astle wouldn't be over there and the team wouldn't be full of the #intentrounders.

I agree with the bolded. but only to the extent that it's at least competitive & we don't turn out with consecutive mickey mouse performances in the field like these last two humiliating hit-outs.

 

[Compton]

All examples of Australia being beaten, teams were 100 in 16-18 overs and accelerated from the 20th over onwards; all that proves to me is that we approached it with the wrong tactics and the two guys that you all seem to want to praise for heady batting were actually cancerous to our chances.

Anyway, going around in circles, you be bear food, I'll get myself rescued.

Rescued? Wasn't your analogy about fighting the bear?

 

[vcs]

Was the Hadlee team the last NZ side to beat Australia over a Test series? It's really ridiculous that they give Boxing Day Tests to WI, while NZ and SA have to settle for being the "appetizers"..

 

[Flem274*]

I agree with the bolded. but only to the extent that it's at least competitive & we don't turn out with consecutive mickey mouse performances in the field like these last two humiliating hit-outs.

oh yeah the fielding especially has been terrible.

 

[Fuller Pilch]

Some decent analysis from Kyle Mills

Kyle Mills: Black Caps slipping up in general basics of the game