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Maxwell was already dropped last year (or the one before) from the ODIs. And he is consistently being ignored for the Test team while some absolute hacks are being chose ahead of him.
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Burgey
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If Australia does the right thing with the batting line up and has Maxwell at five, Stoinis at six and (say) Turner at seven, how many runs will a ten over combo of Stoinis/ Maxwell/ Finch leak? Will it be so many that it will basically nullify the benefit of batting deeper?
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Stoinis/Maxwell isn't a bad combo to have as 5th bowling options IMO, and not that much of a downgrade on Watson/Maxwell which worked in 2015.
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MMarsh was a decent bowler back then. Now he is worse than Stoinis, and I have never really rated Stoinis with the ball
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Yeah he has, but I don’t realistically see him as someone who you’ll consistently get ten decent overs out of - he’ll wax and wane a bit at that level, as you’d expect
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Yeah agreed. Let alone not even being in the same stratosphere with the bat at the top LO level
TheJediBrah
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This. Nothing wrong at all with Stoinis and Maxwell as 5th bowlers. Even if Aus only had 1 of them it would be worth the extra batting tbh.
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I mean he was averaging 66 after 15 odd matches, and a run of 3 good matches got him below 40, but it's now about to tick back over 50. If you're expecting him to bowl ~7~ overs, I think that's risky, particularly when Zampa is coming off a 18 month period where he averaged 80 odd with the ball himself. If they do pick a keeper in the top 6, which I'm not opposed to in regards to Handscomb, I'm picking Marsh over Stoinis at 7 every day of the week. And in this scenario, it could be perfectly valid to pick Forkers Faulkner imo, and I don't say that lightly.
I've talked about it before, but the guy batting at 7 faces, on average, 21 balls an innings. so if you're expecting him to contribute 36 to 42 with the ball while reasonably expecting him to face around 22 balls......
(that figure of 21 applies to both the entire existence of ODI cricket and just since 2010 to today, additionally from 2010 to today, number 7 for Aus, Eng, SA, India and Pakistan all averaged facing as low as 16 an innings to as high as 22, and this isn't factoring in the times number 7 straight up doesn't bat)
I get the placebo effect of MOAR BATTING, but like MOAR BOWLING is a reasonable thing too imo, participially when there's question marks over your fourth bowler (zampa) and Cummins has averaged below 30 in 2 of his last 7 ODI series and we're just kinda assuming that will fix itself up, but what if...
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Burgey
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A genuine fifth bowler is such an asset in ODIs. It just gives a skipper so much flexibility if someone is getting tapped.
Having said that, with the WC in England and the prospect of the ball decking around when there’s the inevitable dreary, drab weeks of rain on end, having a proper batsman at seven is also something to consider more than if it was being held here. Not an easy balance to strike imo
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Opener and four respectively
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looking over the last two years of australia's bowling, it's so odd we pumped overs into head and stoinis while barely bowling maxwell and marsh, although i suppose maxwell's average and eco rate dont exactly scream 'give him the ball' (marsh only played 7 games, but he's under 5 overs a game)
looking over the last two years of australia's bowling, it's so odd we pumped overs into head and stoinis while barely bowling maxwell and marsh, although i suppose maxwell's average and eco rate dont exactly scream 'give him the ball' (marsh only played 7 games, but he's under 5 overs a game)
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Marsh is worse than Stoinis in every way
No he doesn't, he chucks, which is I'm assuming a big part of why he doesn't bowl anymore
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if you dont include bowling, sure
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Yeah I don’t see how Stoinis is a better bowler than marsh, if you make the bold assumption that they are both actually fit at the same time. I mean, I’d like to face Stoinis for a living where I had to take four an over from him to make a quid, and I’m 50 this year and haven’t had a proper hit in three years.
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I've barely seen Turner bowl, so no opinion on whether he chucks, but I thought that he didn't bowl because he'd practically wrecked his shoulder?