*Official* Australia in West Indies Thread

[Mr Mxyzptlk]

What a Test match! This is what cricket is all about! Brilliant bowling, aggressive counterattack and Lara is in a serious confrontation with Waugh. Shepherd had to separate the 'conversation' between the two.

 

[hourn]

What a Test match! This is what cricket is all about! Brilliant bowling, aggressive counterattack and Lara is in a serious confrontation with Waugh. Shepherd had to separate the 'conversation' between the two.

yep its been awesome so far, from the moment he stepped out there with Matty Hayden, and having his words with Gillespie, Lehmann and Waugh.

No doubt got something to do with his "mystery illness".

At the end of last over he looked very flustered with the ump, so this is the best chance for the aussies to get him, but they'll wanna do it quick.

 

[Mr Mxyzptlk]

It seemed like Shepherd was sort of victimizing him. The commentators suggested that Lara was upset because only he was being talked to by the umpire, not the 11 Aussies on the field.

 

[Rik]

give up what??

He bowled very well and derserved what he finished up with.

But dont you guys all pay Brett Lee to the ****ter. He has gone through teams before and picked up 5 fors but yet he is a rank average bowler according to all the aussie bashers.

Jermaine Lawson is a reasonable talent - I wouldn't go as far and say he is an awesome talent, but he does have ability.

You said "well done to him but one good performance hasn't got me sold on him yet. He looks like a pretty reasonable talent, but from what I've seen in the first few tests he does lack a lot of line, and as has been pointed out a lot of the time, he doesn't seem to be able to keep the seam straight.

As for his 6-3, great figures, but against Bangladesh isn't exactly a claim to fame."

Now that isn't something you say about someone who's just run through you "I'm not sold on him" and "he looks a pretty reasonable talent." Now this is coming from a guy who refused to accept that Murali has a legal action and refused to accept evidence to the contrary claiming it didn't show anything.

About Lee, not only has no one mentioned him in this arguement until you brought him up, but also a bowler who's average goes from 16 to 30 in 30 Tests looks like a bowler who people have worked out, therefor he doesn't run through teams any more, hense the huge increase in average. I don't need to say anything, his figures speak for themselves.

 

[hourn]

My whole point of bringing Lee up was to show the tall poppy syndrome that has been a big part of this forum against the Australians.

As for Lawson, I'm sorry i'm not jumping head over heels for him, but I'm just not that excited about him yet.

And as for Murali, what has that got to do with this?? But i'm sure I'm not the only one - you didn't catch Gilchrist's comments at a luncheon a year or two ago did you??

 

[hourn]

Chanderpaul has just been bowled, 6/140 now, so Australia have the slight advantage, but by no means is it game breaking.

 

[Rik]

My whole point of bringing Lee up was to show the tall poppy syndrome that has been a big part of this forum against the Australians.

As for Lawson, I'm sorry i'm not jumping head over heels for him, but I'm just not that excited about him yet.

And as for Murali, what has that got to do with this?? But i'm sure I'm not the only one - you didn't catch Gilchrist's comments at a luncheon a year or two ago did you??

The tall poppy syndrome what? The only reason why I don't rate Lee is because he has done enough not to impress me, look at his record, it's not hard to understand why I don't rate him, again his record speaks for it's self.

As for bringing Murali into this, I was just showing that this is your normal reaction to anything that you refuse to accept, you just degrade it or ignore any proof on the contrary. Lawson took 7 wickets and you replied with a typically arrogant comment saying you weren't totally impressed with him, I would be. When Caddick took 7 against Australia and England won it was all "England were lucky" or "Caddick was lucky", that's why I said "give it up" because I want you to accept the truth for once rather than claiming it was "lucky" or "he did well but I'm not impressed."

Your trying to bring up something that's used against the Australians in this forum? Why not bring up what you and several other Australian members use against everyone else, the "I don't care we are better than you" syndrome which means that you cannot rate players when they perform against Australia. You also slag everything about our team off. Give it a break? PLEASE!

 

[Mr Mxyzptlk]

Chanderpaul has just been bowled, 6/140 now, so Australia have the slight advantage, but by no means is it game breaking.

Australia have a big advantage IMO. WI need at least 100 runs lead on first innings if they are to win this match. This match is also proceeding so quickly, that a draw is unlikely. That said, Jacobs has done it before against Australia and the man named Lara is still there...

 

[hourn]

i'm going to leave the Murali thing out if because that's quite irrelevant, and its my opinion which is shared by many others.

Caddick's performance during that test series was disgraceful, and he managed to pick up a 7-for in the final test which should make it all good. He was the most experienced bowler in that English team and when they needed someone to try and get them back in the series, he did NOTHING. His performance when coming off the field when he absolutely **** bagged his team in front of the crowd summed up his attitude.

I slag things off that deserve to be, and in all honeslt at the moment, what the Aussies have been coming up recently deserves it.

 

[hourn]

Australia have a big advantage IMO.

Not with Lara in..... he could get the 100 on his ace within this session provided the others can stick around.

Get him out early than a slight advantage jumps very suddenly to a big advantage on what is a small scoring test at the moment.

 

[Anil]

I just hope the young West Indian team somehow hangs on and wins the final test....C'mon Lara....C'mon Jacobs.....

 

[Rik]

I'm going to leave this and see what other people say.

The Murali thing had a lot to do with this, as it showed you blatently would not give anyone the credit they are due, and how you will ignore even the most damning of evidence.

As for the Caddick thing, yes he bowled badly, but when he bowled well it was "he was lucky" and "England were lucky." Sorry guys, no declaration this time, it was a good win, fair and square

 

[PY]

What was BCL's innings like? Looking just at the stats on CricketInfo, it looks like he's been hitting out heavily as 54 of his 68 runs came from boundaries (12 fours and 1 six). Yet he faced 94 balls.

Is he still ill because it was announced that he had chicken pox or something yet he's still posted a crucial half-century (not yet determined how crucial) while having a very potent illness.

 

[Neil Pickup]

...Tall Poppy Syndrome...

Expand, please?

The vast majority of posters on this forum have fair, balanced views and do not simply make blanket judgments on players due to their nationality - only because they truly do not rate them as a player. Look at the myriad Englishmen who have slagged off Steve Harmison, and try to find one who rates Richard Dawson, for example.

Lee has come in for more criticism as he has become more expensive and less incisive in Test Cricket. FACT.

Dillon's just been dropped by Gilchrist off one from MacGill (his second over!) that "turned a lot". And has promptly had his stumps rearranged by Brett Lee.

And the rest of the over has been interesting - 4 . N4 . 2 4

That's Lee to Jermaine Lawson, fourteen runs off six balls...

Scores level @ 240/9

 

[krkode]

Caddick's performance during that test series was disgraceful, and he managed to pick up a 7-for in the final test which should make it all good. He was the most experienced bowler in that English team and when they needed someone to try and get them back in the series, he did NOTHING. His performance when coming off the field when he absolutely **** bagged his team in front of the crowd summed up his attitude.

Maybe he couldn't do anything...:rolleyes: Just because you're a team's most experienced bowler, doesn't mean you have to single-handedly win the game for your team. The Aussies were just too good.

The thing with the crowd, I couldn't blame him. Sure he's an international sportsman and a national representative and all, but above all and more than the rest, he's only human.

 

[Neil Pickup]

Interesting fact, in Lee's last 20 tests, he's taken 64 @ 38.26 @ SR 63.8

The 10 before that, he took 48 @ 19.37

And his best figures were 5/47 in his first test innings.

Lawson (14, 8b, 3x4) slices MacGill to Martin Love at slip. 240 all out. First innings tied...

 

[Anil]

Yes, if they can rein in Australia to a reasonable score(300-320?), we could be set for an exciting finish!

 

[hourn]

The thing with the crowd, I couldn't blame him. Sure he's an international sportsman and a national representative and all, but above all and more than the rest, he's only human.

yes, granted that, but you don't slag the **** out of your teammates in front of the crowd as your team is walking off the ground.

as for the tall poppy syndrome, it just seems to me from my limited time here that every one will take every chance to cut down on Australia.

As for the game at hand, Australia have absolutely crushed the Windies spirits through Langer and Hayden, and unless the bowlers can do something this match will be out of hand.

One thing on Jermaine Lawson, when they show the slow mo's of him bowling, very rarely is the seem straight, which is always going to ddetract from his progress unless he fix that up.

 

[Mr Mxyzptlk]

it just seems to me from my limited time here that every one will take every chance to cut down on Australia.

What?? As opposed to your utmost respect for the prospects of this young West Indian team? I can't believe you had the nerve to say that.

One thing on Jermaine Lawson, when they show the slow mo's of him bowling, very rarely is the seem straight, which is always going to ddetract from his progress unless he fix that up.

Walsh didn't keep the seam upright late in his career (when I saw him bowl). He did moderately well...

 

[hourn]

What?? As opposed to your utmost respect for the prospects of this young West Indian team? I can't believe you had the nerve to say that.

I would but the Windies prospects are not all that great. If they were, I would be saying so. Lawson goes pretty good (there was a big artcile in both Sydney papers about him chuckin, but I think he's action is legit), while Smith doesn't loook to bad of a batsmen, but probably not much more than a solid opener.

Banks struggle, but I would be interested in seeing how Sulieman Benn goes as his first class record has been pretty good (much better than Banks).

Tino Best needs to fix his action, but considering the pace he can generate with his action he should be able to do quite well when he does fix it.

And i do actually give respect to opposition. I have always believed that the Windies 84 team would beat the Australian team at the moment (and any of the Australian teams during the past few years).

Even Michael Holding wrote in the paper a column bagging the current Windies team and how disapointed he was with the current crop of players, especially the bowling.

Walsh didn't keep the seam upright late in his career (when I saw him bowl). He did moderately well...

Well there's one bowler, who happens to have immense experience. Not being able to keep the seam straight makes it very hard to be a succesful bowler. It can be done but it's like having to score a try from your own try line, whereas you can do it from 5 metres out untouched.