*Official* Australia in Sri Lanka 2016

[duffer]

So weak

 

[adub]

Does Moz get a call up for Test 3? Marsh hasn't been the worst by any stretch, but how much longer does he get to be bog ordinary?

Oh and yeah nah on the reverse Adam

 

[Starfighter]

Oh Fmd! Voges should never play the reverse sweep again. Totally the wrong ball.

Does Moz get a call up for Test 3? Marsh hasn't been the worst by any stretch, but how much longer does he get to be bog ordinary?

Unlikely. More likely that SMarsh comes in for somebody.

 

[NotMcKenzie]

So weak

What?

And another...

 

[Starfighter]

Down!

 

[adub]

Oh Fmd! Voges should never play the reverse sweep again. Totally the wrong ball.

Unlikely. More likely that SMarsh comes in for somebody.

Smarsh in for Boourns is almost a gimme, although Uzi should consider himself lucky.

I just think Marsh has had more than enough time by now and it's time to try someone else.

Also think Bird in for Holland isn't the worst call. But that might be a bit radical and a touch harsh on a guy who just debuted.

 

[Starfighter]

Smarsh in for Boourns is almost a gimme, although Uzi should consider himself lucky.

I just think Marsh has had more than enough time by now and it's time to try someone else.

Also think Bird in for Holland isn't the worst call. But that might be a bit radical and a touch harsh on a guy who just debuted.

Yeah, I think MMarsh has had enough time as well. We keep hearing about his 'potential' and how 'he's arrived' as a bowler when he picks up a couple, but his figures never improve. I'd give Moz a go.
And I think we should go with our strength which is pace. I'd like Pattinson though, but he's injured of course. But Bird's wicket to wicket will be more useful than Holland going at T20 rates.

 

[Adders]

#adub.......love the new avatar.

I can get on board with fatty being the true TPC........much more fitting than the original pretender.

 

[Top_Cat]

It seems like a really basic concept but I don't really know whether the idea that you need properly different tactics in different conditions is actually getting through to the Australians.

One thing that was illuminating for me was when Brendon Julien was talking about Lyon's bowling.
"He should be aiming for wide of off stump, get them driving, bringing the ball back in through the gate and finding the outside edge when it goes straight on". i.e. classical offspinner plans.

Which would be fine, I'm not expecting mind-blowing tactics from the man here, except for the glaring fact that it was less than 30 mins after Russell Arnold was talking about how Perera was aiming to bowl straight, wicket to wicket and looking for the inside edge, and maybe the LBW for the straight one; despite himself also being a big-turning offspinner. Complete opposite bowling plans. Now I know they're commentators not coaches, but these guys do tend to hang around the team and have conversations and an idea of what's happening in training.

There's also the fact that the Australian batsmen have not really looked to sweep much. It's fine for everyone to "have their own plan" as seems to be coming from the Aussie camp, but then if you look at the guys who's actually batted successfully in these conditions over the past 20 years, they've all had a pretty similar method...

Yeah this.

Aussies used to troll the Saffers so hard in the 90s and 00s about having The One True Template and the current lot are doing the same. That said, even the Saffers were able to win in India before the Aussies did....

 

[Top_Cat]

#adub.......love the new avatar.

I can get on board with fatty being the true TPC........much more fitting than the original pretender.

Yeah it's sensational. Next level foruming.

 

[Spikey]

Remember writing an article in 2013 about how Smith was a better option as a bat than Khawaja for the Indian series. Was a good call.

I believe I once linked that article to someone not on cweb. was a good un

 

[Spikey]

Australian team is fortunate that the Olympics are about to start so the focus won't be on them.

well they collapsed the day before it started, so they didn't really escape the focus

 

[Burgey]

Got to point the finger at the Aussie spinners when their counterparts have been so successful on the same wicket. I think Lyon probably does better on Australian tracks as he needs the bounce he gets over there.

Dude, they got rolled for 100. I don't think the bowlers should be under the mirxroscope here.

 

[Compton]

I'd maybe just drop Holland and replace him with Henriques.

Strengthen the batting, leave yourself the same number of bowling options.

 

[Top_Cat]

Can really feel Lehmann's exasperation in the presser he gave yesterday. Bloke was a superb player of spin himself so if he can't turn them around, especially with all the extra help thy get, noone can.

 

[adub]

I'd maybe just drop Holland and replace him with Henriques.

Strengthen the batting, leave yourself the same number of bowling options.

That's not the worst idea ever either.

 

[Black_Warrior]

It seems like a really basic concept but I don't really know whether the idea that you need properly different tactics in different conditions is actually getting through to the Australians.

One thing that was illuminating for me was when Brendon Julien was talking about Lyon's bowling.
"He should be aiming for wide of off stump, get them driving, bringing the ball back in through the gate and finding the outside edge when it goes straight on". i.e. classical offspinner plans.

Which would be fine, I'm not expecting mind-blowing tactics from the man here, except for the glaring fact that it was less than 30 mins after Russell Arnold was talking about how Perera was aiming to bowl straight, wicket to wicket and looking for the inside edge, and maybe the LBW for the straight one; despite himself also being a big-turning offspinner. Complete opposite bowling plans. Now I know they're commentators not coaches, but these guys do tend to hang around the team and have conversations and an idea of what's happening in training.

There's also the fact that the Australian batsmen have not really looked to sweep much. It's fine for everyone to "have their own plan" as seems to be coming from the Aussie camp, but then if you look at the guys who's actually batted successfully in these conditions over the past 20 years, they've all had a pretty similar method...

Absolutely. And Warner is a great embodiment of the thinking and the culture of this team. He is brilliant in so many ways, yet there has been an absolute refusal for him to respect these conditions, respect the opposition and try to adapt his game accordingly. His batting is based on the obdurate stance "that's the way I play..my way or highway"
And it's reflected in the body language, it's reflected in Lyon's jibe, it's reflected in TJB's complaints about the pitches. They hate these conditions, they don't really wanna be here. And you can't really learn and improve something you don't enjoy. Even Lehman remarked once that it's 'just' the subcontinent where they are poor.

 

[Starfighter]

Bowled him.

 

[Niall]

Absolutely. And Warner is a great embodiment of the thinking and the culture of this team. He is brilliant in so many ways, yet there has been an absolute refusal for him to respect these conditions, respect the opposition and try to adapt his game accordingly. His batting is based on the obdurate stance "that's the way I play..my way or highway"
And it's reflected in the body language, it's reflected in Lyon's jibe, it's reflected in TJB's complaints about the pitches. They hate these conditions, they don't really wanna be here. And you can't really learn and improve something you don't enjoy. Even Lehman remarked once that it's 'just' the subcontinent where they are poor.

I think another example for me which seemed to suggest something was wrong with the approach from the powers in charge was in the UAE where Pakistan grinded them to death in the first test with Azhar and Younis especially, and Australia's response was to drop Doolan and play Maxwell at three to ~GETONWITH IT,which obviously is the way to go in the UAE

 

[Spikey]

I'd maybe just drop Holland and replace him with Henriques.

Strengthen the batting, leave yourself the same number of bowling options.

That's not the worst idea ever either.

I don't think it's particularly good though. We need better batting, not more. You can add another one at 8 and yeah we're probably coming out a bit better, but it's on the top 5.