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howardj

International Coach
Demolition Man said:
My best 11 with the ashes in mind

1. Langer
2. Hayden
3. Ponting
4. Martyn
5. Hussey
6. Symonds/Clarke (Symonds must be atleast 12th man for his fielding)
7. Gilchrist
8. Warne (batting above Lee because of his peformances V poms)
9. Lee
10 Tait/Dizzy (With McGrath in the side Dizzys experience is less required)
11 McGrath
Myself - I would always prefer to play MacGill, in preference to our 3rd best paceman (whether that be Bracken, Tait, Clark, Kasper, Dizzy). In Australia, this can be done in Brisbane, Adelaide, MCG, SCG and Hobart. Heck, the way the WACA is playing, MacGill could get a game there as well. I just think there is a noticeable gap between MacGill and our 3rd best quick. MacGill and Warne turn the ball on ice. Australia rarely lose when these two guys are in the team. By contrast, things got a little out of hand when Australia tried to cast around for a 3rd quick in England.
 

social

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howardj said:
Myself - I would always prefer to play MacGill, in preference to our 3rd best paceman (whether that be Bracken, Tait, Clark, Kasper, Dizzy). In Australia, this can be done in Brisbane, Adelaide, MCG, SCG and Hobart. Heck, the way the WACA is playing, MacGill could get a game there as well. I just think there is a noticeable gap between MacGill and our 3rd best quick. MacGill and Warne turn the ball on ice. Australia rarely lose when these two guys are in the team. By contrast, things got a little out of hand when Australia tried to cast around for a 3rd quick in England.
Too true plue SA are much better at playing pace than spin (as are the Poms - but I'll stop there before I start another rant about how stupid the handling of MacGill was during the Ashes).
 

Simon

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Demolition Man said:
MacGill ahead of 3rd quick, depending on the wicket, I agree on that.
to me it also depends on how good the 2nd seamer is, if Lee has a bad day at the office (as much of a fan i am of his these have been pretty often) we cant afford to have our 2nd fast bowler being average, imo you can only play 2 spinners if you have a lot of confidence in the 2 main fast bowlers and the all rounder if there is one...
 

The Argonaut

State Vice-Captain
I'd just like to know what Martyn and Clarke have done to warrant a recall. Martyn's form in the one dayers has been patchy and his FC form was average. Clarke has looked OK but hasn't had a chance to show that he has fixed his FC game. It seems strange to pick him. He may not play anyway.

Hodge can feel unlucky but I have no problem with him being dropped. He was lucky to be there in the first place.

I think that Kaspar will play the 1st test. If 2 quicks are picked then Lee and Tait are too similar.

I would have had Watson in ahead of Symonds. Symonds test form has not been great and Watson has the better game for tests.
 

FaaipDeOiad

Hall of Fame Member
Pretty poor decision to pick Kasprowicz over Gillespie in my view. Clark over Bracken is much worse though... that's a genuine shocker.

Clarke and Martyn coming back in is good to see, but I can't see the point of Symonds over Watson.
 

age_master

Hall of Fame Member
The Argonaut said:
I'd just like to know what Martyn and Clarke have done to warrant a recall. Martyn's form in the one dayers has been patchy and his FC form was average. Clarke has looked OK but hasn't had a chance to show that he has fixed his FC game. It seems strange to pick him. He may not play anyway.
Clarke probably wont play but his FC from from the only 2 games he played this year

MJ Clarke 2 3 2 395 201* 395.00 2 - 3 - NSW

is pretty good.


Martyn should never have been dropped in the first place
 

Slats4ever

International Vice-Captain
Shocked at the decisions made. In my opinion the batting line up is almost 100% correct... mind you Bevan should be in ahead of Martyn but as if that'll ever happen. That's just fantasy...

the bowling choices were the interesting ones thuogh. Shocked that Kasper got a call up over Dizzy. I think the Clark one was an interesting issue but I think he'll repay selectors and really come of age as a test quick this tour...

The line up shuld be

Hayden
Langer
Ponting
Martyn
Hussey
Clarke
Gilchrist
Symonds
Lee
Warne
Clark
 

howardj

International Coach
Slats4ever said:
The line up shuld be

Hayden
Langer
Ponting
Martyn
Hussey
Clarke
Gilchrist
Symonds
Lee
Warne
Clark
Mate, have you got enough batting strength in that team? Ain't no way both Clarke and Symonds are going to play.
 

social

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Saw Matthew Hayden interviewed on Inside Cricket last night and he was asked to appraise the form of Gillespie and Tait.

Said nothing more about Gillespie than his attitude was great whilst Tait made every batsman uncomfortable with his pace and movement "when he got it right."

Hardly a great endorsement for Dizzy!

Selectors have got it wrong with Watson and Clark but right with Bracken.

It's obvious that theyve used the past season to teach Martyn a lesson but why pick him when he's horribly out of form?

Hodge should never have been picked in the first place and now they drop him after scoring runs.

Once again, theyre all over the shop but what do you expect from Merv, Boonie and Hohns?
 
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mikeW

International Vice-Captain
howardj said:
On batting selection, Hohns commented: “Damien Martyn has had some time out of the team and we feel this is the right time to slot him back in at number four. The reintroduction of Michael Clarke follows some productive time away from the Test team. Michael has worked very hard on his batting during this time and we’re very comfortable with the progress he’s made. Brad Hodge can count himself unlucky not to be included. It is fair to say that the NSP were looking for Brad to put together some really big scores in Pura Cup cricket to consolidate his position in the Test squad but unfortunately that hasn’t happened.”[/I]

That is the biggest load of crap you'll ever hear! when has Martyn made runs? he has the great average of around 23 at Pura Cup level! :wacko: 8-)
 

Nate

You'll Never Walk Alone
I`m impressed with the squad. The selectors have admitted that the dropping of Clarke/Martyn/Kasper was a bit un-called for and they get another chance. Don`t agree with the dropping of Bracken, but the recall of Kasper makes it worthwhile. :)
 

social

Cricket Web: All-Time Legend
Forget about Hodge what about Jaques?????

Score a mountain of runs at either test or fc level and we totally ignore it!

Great message to the players!

Martyn should feed that gambling habit of his and have a punt tonight because he is the luckiest SOB in Aus right now!
 

social

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Nnanden said:
I`m impressed with the squad. The selectors have admitted that the dropping of Clarke/Martyn/Kasper was a bit un-called for and they get another chance. Don`t agree with the dropping of Bracken, but the recall of Kasper makes it worthwhile. :)
How could it be uncalled for when they failed last time out?

Aus have been in the fortunate position of having some of the greatest players in the history of the game available to them over the past 10 years.

These players, by and large, have carried many others during that period and extended the careers of some well past their use-by date (kasper has just earnt his 10th recall and Martyn hasnt scored a run for god's sake!).

As a resultof this policy, a no. of worthy candidates (Lehmann, Love, Law, Bevan, MacGill, etc, etc, etc) who would have forged successful careers with virtually any other country in the world have been treated shamefully.

Give the younger in-form players a go or else the low that will inevitably come when McGrath, Warne, etc retire is going to be that much deeper and prolonged.

Look at the quality bowling actions in fc cricket et the moment.

Dorey, Noffke, Harwood, Hilfenhaus, Magoffin, Bollinger etc dont need much work to become fine bowlers.

Kasper and Martyn are past their peak at best and little more than knee-jerk reactions.
 
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Slats4ever

International Vice-Captain
howardj said:
Mate, have you got enough batting strength in that team? Ain't no way both Clarke and Symonds are going to play.
It makes sense however. With that batting line up the chances of us being dismissed for less than 300 is very minimal.

With the genius of Warne, and the sting of Lee coupled with more than able support from Clarke and Symonds Australia's bowling wouldn't be taken to the cleaners too much.
 

howardj

International Coach
Slats4ever said:
It makes sense however. With that batting line up the chances of us being dismissed for less than 300 is very minimal.

With the genius of Warne, and the sting of Lee coupled with more than able support from Clarke and Symonds Australia's bowling wouldn't be taken to the cleaners too much.
Good luck with Lee, Symonds and Clark as your pace attack, and no MacGill. Won't happen, and nor should it.
 

Nate

You'll Never Walk Alone
One poor series is a bit harsh for you to be dropped. Martyn always seems to be a bit up and down and hasn`t been great recently. But Clarke deserves it, and Kasper has bowled excellently bar his few Ashes games.
 

benchmark00

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Happy with the squad, however...

Watson should be ahead of Symonds, Gillespie should be ahead of Kasper.

Im impressed by the recall of Marto, deserves a second bite of the cherry.
 

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