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***Official Australia in South Africa***

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Francis

State Vice-Captain
The one good thing about seeing Australia in such a position is seeing Andre Nel get mad. His entertainment value goes through the roof when he gets mad.

Nel when that ball Ponting nicked went through the slips: NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO! GGRRR! NAOOOOOOOOOOOOO! (*kicks turf*)
 
FaaipDeOiad

FaaipDeOiad

Hall of Fame Member
South Africa's plan for Ponting really is ridiculous. He might be an aggressive batsman who loves to pull and hook, but he's not stupid, and packing the leg-side field and bowling at the stumps to try and frustrate him into getting himself out is a complete waste of time, because he won't do it. He's not Andrew Symonds... the guy has played 102 test matches, I think he'll be happy enough getting a century off 220 balls instead of 140.
 
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Francis

State Vice-Captain
It's not lost on me that, with 31 less tests played than Tendulkar, that Ricky Ponting already has one more not out under his name for his career. But not outs or not, if Ponting finishes his career averaging over 60, I'll mention him in the same breath as Lara and Tendulkar. Ponting is racing up that century list, just racing! He just may end up with more centuries than any other cricketer in history.

In the meantime the test is tragicly boring. Australia know they're 1-0 up and don't need to rush anything. Australia are letting SA come to them, not the other way around.
 
FaaipDeOiad

FaaipDeOiad

Hall of Fame Member
Francis said:
It's not lost on me that, with 31 less tests played than Tendulkar, that Ricky Ponting already has one more not out under his name for his career. But not outs or not, if Ponting finishes his career averaging over 60, I'll mention him in the same breath as Lara and Tendulkar. Ponting is racing up that century list, just racing! He just may end up with more centuries than any other cricketer in history.
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Not outs aren't really an issue in my view, unless the player is obviously playing to be not out at the expense of his value to the team. Ponting obviously doesn't do that, so his not outs are just due to the fact that nobody managed to dismiss him, which is hardly his fault.

Anyway, Ponting is well on the way to being one of Australia's best ever test batsmen, in my view. He's probably in the top 5 already, or close to it, and he's just getting better all the time.
 
Goughy

Goughy

Hall of Fame Member
Francis said:
It's not lost on me that, with 31 less tests played than Tendulkar, that Ricky Ponting already has one more not out under his name for his career. But not outs or not, if Ponting finishes his career averaging over 60, I'll mention him in the same breath as Lara and Tendulkar.
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What are you trying to say? That it is obviously far more difficult to get Ponting out than Tendulkar and he is obviously a better player?

Or am I just misunderstanding:dry:
 
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Francis

State Vice-Captain
I somewhat agree. It annoys me that people criticise Tendulkar's not outs and then say Lara is better because he made more double centuries. Maybe if India didn't declare when Tendulkar was not out he'd have made the same amount of double-centuries. How can you chastise a unconquered batsman.

The only problem with not outs is that they're saying you haven't been conquered when you get a fresh start on a new pitch etc etc. Your clearly not playing the same innings and that can go your way.

Also I have to say there've been more batter-friendly pitches these days.

Like I say, if he becomes only one of five men to average over 60 after his career... he's there for me up there with Lara and Tendulkar. It'll be interesting to see how history judges Ponting when he retires. Both Lara and Tendulkar are among the top 20 best cricketers ever... will people really mention Ponting in the same breath?
 
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Francis

State Vice-Captain
What are you trying to say? That it is obviously far more difficult to get Ponting out than Tendulkar and he is obviously a better player?
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I'm saying Ponting's not out are helping his stats a little and are skewering them. He's not as great as Tendulkar and I wont consider it until he averages around 60 personally... even if it's for a short while.
 
Goughy

Goughy

Hall of Fame Member
Francis said:
Both Lara and Tendulkar are among the top 20 best cricketers ever... will people really mention Ponting in the same breath?
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Lara may only just make the top 5 WI batsmen of alltime. Add in the battery of quicks and then the rest of the Test world and its difficult to suggest that he is automatically in the top 20 best all time cricketers.
 
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Francis

State Vice-Captain
He's out. What a silly billy. He lost his grit once he made a ton.

Anyway I wanna take back what I said about Ponting averaging 60. What I'm saying is he needs something that establishes clear impact. Like getting 40 centuries means you've impacted so many games etc.

And Richards, Sobers, Headley and Lara would be in my top 20 best ever... so it's not like somebody who barely is one of the WI's top batters ever can't make the list. They are, or at least were, an amazing cricketing dynasty. Lara's ahead of the three W's for me.
 
Demolition Man

Demolition Man

State Vice-Captain
mikeW said:
wasted opurtuntity.
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I told you about him looking really good in his 9 no , remember ?

Pretty poor sportsmanship displayed this evening by the suddies, you expect it from nel and smith but I thought ntini was one of the decent ones.
To not go and atleast see (token gesture) that a guy you have physically injured is ok is pretty lame. Perhaps his quieter/smaller personality makes him more succeptable to peer pressure as I doubt his captian would have approved of him empathising with the prey.

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20 mins later ntini pats symonds on the back as they leave the field of play .
A guilt conscience??

FWIW Nel said the words Johnny Bravo atleast 40 odd times , u reckon he is trying to make that nickname stick with brett lee ??
 
Demolition Man

Demolition Man

State Vice-Captain
The man with the fattest lips in test cricket gets hit on the lips by the man vying for his title. Ohh the levels.

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That Lee descion was pathetic, boucher knew he got nowhere near the ball. LBW are a part of the game but blatant dishonesty like that is quite sad. Don't think that I beleive this problem is confined to south african players but they do have some of the biggest offenders.
 
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TT Boy

TT Boy

Hall of Fame Member
Demolition Man said:
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That Lee descion was pathetic, boucher knew he got nowhere near the ball. LBW are a part of the game but blatant dishonesty like that is quite sad. Don't think that I beleive this problem is confined to south african players but they do have some of the biggest offenders.
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What was Boucher meant to do?, say Steve, Brett did not touch it, come on. The appeal was half hearted because they all knew or had doubt weather Lee hit the ball but Bucknor was the man who gave him out, not the appealing South Africans. It was poor umpiring nothing else.
 
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