**Official** Australia in India Thread

[Arjun]

This is the best, last and only chance for the supposedly great Indian batting lineup to prove themselves. Hopefully the selectors will do a Pakistan after this series.

 

[Hala]

I can always understand bad umpiring decisions as part of the game (even though at first I'm little ****ed). Bowden, I feel is a very good umpire. However, its time for Bucknor to go. I'm not saying this because I beleive he's got Indian bias (I don't think so at all...its just that by coincidence India have been on the receiving end most times). I'm saying this because I've seen him act very unprofessionally a couple of times, like the way he was mocking Dravid in Australia. An umpire of an international sport should not act like this. He's got to go.

I'm personally unaware of these comments (may not have been reported over here or i may have missed them) but when you consider that its well known that Ganguly and the Indian team in general have gone out of their way to discredit and have even officially reported Bucknor to the ICC then it wouldn't be that surprisin. However, if he allowed his personal feelings to impair his judgement it would be very unproffessional.

I remember when I played cricket growing up, the one thing we always did was to make sure we did not get in the bad books with the umpire, in most cases the umpire won't change his decisions in anyway regardless of how you treat them but why take the risk? Furthermore I would go as far as to suggest that there is no bias by Bucknor but its more something built up either as an excuse by the Indian team to explain away some poor preformances or the only other explanation is that there is some form of natural dislike to Bucknor because frankly I don't see what the problem Indians have with him.

He hasn't made a mistake so far in this match that has hurt India and yet you 're attacking him? Its irrational and not to be too blunt, disgraceful and reflects badly upon you. A bit of criticism for Bowden is perhaps justfied after all suppressing criticism helps no one but using it as an avenue to attack an umpire who hasn't made any obvious mistakes in this series is just ridiculous.

Regardless of the decisions made, India would still be losing this match, they have played the poorer cricket. Whilst Clarke getting out on 92 would have reduce the Australian total by 60 runs just from Clarke alone, who is to know what the response of Adam Gilchrist at the other end would have been? He deliberatly played within himself to guide Clarke to his maiden test century and the dismissal of Clarke on 92 might have caused him to have scored explosively. On top of that, Sewag, Ganguly, Dravid Laxman and Yurav Singh were not the victims of poor decisions they were the victims of good bowling and poor shots.

This criticism of umpires is detracting from what was today a great day of cricket in my opinion. Patel and Pathan showed tremendous determination, an almost Australian like willingness to fight what should have been the inevitable removal of the last four Indian wickets. If India somehow manages to draw this game (which looks unlikely), the partnership between the two will have played a significant part. I think the Indian bowlers showed a light bit more fight as well, especially once Hayden was back in the pavillion thanks to a great bit of fielding by H Singh (sorry I can't spell his first name :P ). If India remove the remaining three specalist Australian batsman tomorrow cheaply and wrap up our tail (not that hard) quickly they could face a chase of 'only' 400 with 150 overs to get it in. Of course this is not an easy task but I very much doubt Ganguly and co are sitting in their hotels and saying... damn if only Langer had been given out for 0 in the first innings, Clarke for 92 and Pathan had not been given out caught

 

[aussie_beater]

This is the best, last and only chance for the supposedly great Indian batting lineup to prove themselves. Hopefully the selectors will do a Pakistan after this series.

This is ridiculous. Weren't we hailing this Indian lineup to be best ever just one test match before this one ? Then why is this the last and only chance ? Didn't they perform honurably just one test match before this in Pakistan ? This is the type of reaction that has been the cause for a lot of problems for Indian cricket for long.....fickle minded fans like you are a disgrace to Indian cricket. Yes, Yuvraj should go the moment Sachin is fit to play but IMO that's the only change required.

 

[marc71178]

I think the perspective to take is that technology will be used to ASSIST and HELP and SUPPLEMENT umpires - not to undermine them and prove them wrong.

Yes right, and that's what really would happen isn't it?

 

[marc71178]

The difference being the umpires are trying to be fair, groundsmen are trying not to be.

The Groundsmen are preparing pitches in line with using home advantage - there's absolutely nothing unfair in that.

 

[marc71178]

nope i did not read the last 10 page for sure, criticism by commentrators and bribe acusation by fans on some cricket board are 2 diff things.

Yes, the Commentators are neutral and can see both sides of the issue.

 

[marc71178]

Bucknor in my opinion needs to be removed from the elite panel because he has not gone through a series as far as I can recall, without giving some shocking decisions.

And the rest of the umpires haven't?

Or is it because these perceived injustices are against India?

 

[maxpower]

will Aus declare by lunch tom or will they bat longer ? even though AUS are firmly in command, the time IND will have to bat out is critical, even after this lousy 1st innings by IND batsmen, batting for a day and a half is not all that hard of a task.

 

[Jono]

This is the best, last and only chance for the supposedly great Indian batting lineup to prove themselves. Hopefully the selectors will do a Pakistan after this series.

Last and only chance? Wow! India could be bowled out here and lose the test, and I wouldn't even contemplate claiming they aren't good batsmen. If Laxman and Dravid's achievements over the past few years aren't good enough for you, then as far as I'm concerned you're not an Indian cricket fan.

 

[aussie_beater]

And the rest of the umpires haven't?

Or is it because these perceived injustices are against India?

First of all, I won't call them injustices....they are mistakes and there is nothing deliberate about them. And yes, it so happens that he has committed quite a number of those mistakes against India and so I am piqued about it. Why is that a problem ? And all umpires commit mistakes but Bucknor seems to have increased his count more then others. And so, my opinion is that Bucknor is right now the worst umpire in the elite panel and should be removed just like Asoka De Silva got removed last year. De Silva was the worst I have ever seen in the elite panel.

 

[Richard]

This is the best, last and only chance for the supposedly great Indian batting lineup to prove themselves. Hopefully the selectors will do a Pakistan after this series.

I'll say it again - if Ganguly, Dravid, Tendulkar and Laxman don't make significant contributions before this series goes too far I'll be absolutely flabbergasted.
Time and again we have seen the Indian batting supposedly in crisis and the situation is transformed quickly and devestatingly.

 

[maxpower]

Are you suggesting umpires should be (effectively) appointed by the media?

Yes, the Commentators are neutral and can see both sides of the issue.

i'll just drop this coz I dont know where yall are going with this nor do I know where I am going with it. I'll just go back to watching football...come on sunday...

 

[Richard]

^^^^^^
What's the point of this?
I don't understand the significance - these two quotes appear totally unrelated.

 

[krishneelz]

A batsman has no excuse when the leave the ball and get struck on the pad so close to the stumps. The law on LBWs regarding pading up says that the ball doesn't have to hit in line with the stumps but the ball still has to hit the stumps. I had no problem with the decision. He should have played a shot. It wasn't a dangerous ball by any means.

Im sorry mate but the ball was going over the hill. It might have been off line but the ball was going over the stumps so the decision against chopra was incorrect and nobody can deny that. I dont have a problem with the ball being off the line of the stumps because it would have continued but it was over the stumps very much like the tendulkar dismissal which should have been given NOT OUT as well. Maybe you should understand the rules before you comment

 

[Mister Wright]

Im sorry mate but the ball was going over the hill. It might have been off line but the ball was going over the stumps so the decision against chopra was incorrect and nobody can deny that. I dont have a problem with the ball being off the line of the stumps because it would have continued but it was over the stumps very musch like the tendulkar dismissal which should have been given NOT OUT as well. Maybe you should understand the rules before you comment

Maybe you should get off the toilet and watch the replay again. It was going to hit the stumps.

 

[Sehwag309]

Maybe you should get off the toilet and watch the replay again. It was going to hit the stumps.

It did seem slightly high, but not offering a shot and at 1st look, it was out

 

[Mister Wright]

It did seem slightly high, but not offering a shot and at 1st look, it was out

Thank you. Even if it was going over (which it wasn't, this is more of a hypothetical statement) the umpires don't have the advantage of replays.

Referring to the so called Bucknor v Tendulkar debacle, I was at the game sitting at the southern end behind where Gillespie was bowling and we all thought it was out, and 'we' includes the Indians who were sitting beside us, it wasn't until the replays were shown that the decision didn't look as 'plumb' as it first appeared, but it was still close. On first glance it looked out to everyone.

 

[Dasa]

I don't see how technology would help with LBWs when alot of the time many people can't even agree whether the player was out or not out after seeing 1000 replays of the incident. I also find it surprising that people expect umpires to get it right every time when even with the help of still replays and tram lines etc there is still much debate on a decision, on many occasions on TV after almost 10 minutes of something akin to a forensic analysis of the potential LBW there is still no clear cut decision in some cases. This seemed to be the case with the Clarke LBW (imo it was going high) and I think I speak for most cricketers when I say that having a 10 minute stoppage for every LBW decision would not be in the best interests of the game.

We see a different version of HawkEye on television than the one umpires would use if offered the technology. I recommend you have a read of the '23 Yards' column on that other cricket website. What has been discussed there would not involve a 10 minute stoppage for each decision. That being said, although I respect the opinion that technology may not be good enough yet, I can't see any reason to leave it out of the game if it results in umpiring errors being minimised.

 

[krishneelz]

Referring to the so called Bucknor v Tendulkar debacle, I was at the game sitting at the southern end behind where Gillespie was bowling.

You really like sitting behind Gillespie dont you

 

[Mr Casson]

I really cant because your mum came in and joined me

Dude... What's the point of that?

Given up trying to debate cricket?