tooextracool
International Coach
in what the 2nd innings?marc71178 said:
if hauritz is test class then im don bradman.
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**Official** Australia in India Thread
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if hauritz is test class then im don bradman.
Slow Love™
International Captain
Some people are being unfair in their triumphalism over those complaining about the pitch. There were those of us who said it was substandard well before Australia collapsed to lose. Peter Roebuck made his comments after the Aussies took a lead on the first innings. For me, Clarke's 6 for 9 rang huge alarm bells. I pride myself on trying to be as fair as possible in my evaluation of the game, and after India's last tour in Australia, often argued that India were clearly the dominant team of the series (and probably deserved to win it).
I don't think that arguing that this pitch was inferior is sour grapes - it's a fact that both sides conceded. The later it got, the worse it got. I'm all for pitches that give more assistance to the bowlers than many of the bat-friendly tracks we've seen over the last few years. I also have nothing against spin-friendly tracks that Australia's folded on in the past - they're as good for the game as fast, bouncy tracks are. This pitch to me, was outside reasonable parameters, in my honest opinion.
Congrats to India though - Laxman and Tendulkar did fabulously in attacking Hauritz so effectively in the middle of the last day, and it's there that I believe the game was won.
I don't think that arguing that this pitch was inferior is sour grapes - it's a fact that both sides conceded. The later it got, the worse it got. I'm all for pitches that give more assistance to the bowlers than many of the bat-friendly tracks we've seen over the last few years. I also have nothing against spin-friendly tracks that Australia's folded on in the past - they're as good for the game as fast, bouncy tracks are. This pitch to me, was outside reasonable parameters, in my honest opinion.
Congrats to India though - Laxman and Tendulkar did fabulously in attacking Hauritz so effectively in the middle of the last day, and it's there that I believe the game was won.
tooextracool
International Coach
i would be if hauritz were test class.....mavric41 said:
Did ANYONE hear Ponting whine when Hayden broke Lara's record against Zimbabwe. Did he say, that Zimbabwe does not deserve to be playing Tests ? Did he say that the pitch was a featherbed ?
Answer: NO ! Ponting has no class and he is showing it with his unsporting, whining reaction to a loss. He should just say India batted and bolwed better, fielded worse but still won. Come On Ricky - show some Class. Or are you like Marc1178 ?
Answer: NO ! Ponting has no class and he is showing it with his unsporting, whining reaction to a loss. He should just say India batted and bolwed better, fielded worse but still won. Come On Ricky - show some Class. Or are you like Marc1178 ?
tooextracool
International Coach
personally i've lost all respect for ponting after some of his recent comments.
This is Peter Roebuck's column today :
http://www.hindu.com/2004/11/06/stories/2004110612121800.htm
Not a word about the Indian victory or the ''Petard'' that didnt backfire. A full article of 7 paragraphs about Clarke's spell.
http://www.hindu.com/2004/11/06/stories/2004110612121800.htm
Not a word about the Indian victory or the ''Petard'' that didnt backfire. A full article of 7 paragraphs about Clarke's spell.
Slow Love™
International Captain
Do you have a leg to stand on in this regard? You've consistently whined and complained all throughout this thread. Have some dignity, man.JustTool said:
Dignity ! Believe me I am learning all about that from you guys and the GREAT RICKY PONTING ! By the way look at the earlier post regarding the article that Peter Roebuck wrote after Michael Clarke's spell. No mention of pitch, no whining or complaining just HOW GREAT CLARKE IS.....he wrote sheer poetry.Slow Love™ said:
Dignity. You should speak. Hypocirsy, i smor like it. Come on - wake up and admit that NONE OF YOu expected India to beat Australia. believe me if there was no rain in Chennai it would be 2-2.
You guys can dish it out but can't take it - not with any dignity, anyway. Ponting should be pulled up by CA for being such a moronic loser. Imgaine if Ganguly had said that in a role reversal.....!!
Slow Love™
International Captain
I'm close to giving up on you (because you're probably a troll), but surely you can see how hypocritical it is to harp on about whining Australians when you've spent the entirety of this series up to this point doing exactly that.JustTool said:
As to not expecting India to beat Australia, I considered India favorites going into the series. I thought that India were a 60/40 chance to win Chennai, and still do and have no trouble admitting that they were unlucky that it rained (even though the Aussies did still have some chance of winning that game, and it was far from the certainty you proclaim it to be).
As far as shankar's reproduction of Roebuck's article today, you clearly didn't read it - throughout he consistently mentions the pitch and the way it made a part-time arm-roller look like a spinning master. To be honest, I wasn't sure what point shankar was making. I think that Roebuck enjoys Clarke's attitude (he may even enjoy him in the biblical sense
), but none of that negates the evaluation of the pitch he made earlier when Australia were well on top in the match.
Eclipse
International Debutant
He has more class than you will ever have..JustTool said:
He was answering a question directed at him on both occasions and gave his honest opinion on both occasions... Now the Lara one was a bit iffy to wether he was right or wrong but on this occasion while whinging it may have been if he came out and publicly said souch things of his own accord. But on this occasion he was simpily replying to a question and what he said is correct.
it seems like you have a real unfounded dislike for Ponting.
masterblaster
International Captain
Don't be too bothered with him Eclipse. If I were an Aussie supporter, I certainly wouldn't be.
masterblaster
International Captain
Australia deserved to win this series plain and simple. There is no room for IF's and BUT's. Thats all crap. Live in the 'here and now' people.
marc71178
Eyes not spreadsheets
Oh, well that justifies the whining then (!)age_master said:
Not one of those comments congratulated the Indians - instead they looked for scapegoats.
Here's one for you - maybe the Australian batsmen with their inflated averages aren't used to challenging conditions and when they came upon such conditions, only one of them (Martyn) was able to cope?
marc71178
Eyes not spreadsheets
And you think that would've worked in this Test?age_master said:
It does kind of ignore the chances missed off Hauritz, or that he was bowling when 2 players were applying their technique to show that scoring runs on this pitch wasn't impossible.
But then again, I've just checked on Cricinfo, and I see which state Hauritz hails from...
