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[tooextracool]

Suit Yourself .... Trsco is not good enough to be sanaths left toe !

Keep on dreaming !

strange though that he averages more than jayasuriya

 

[Jamee999]

Jaya has an amazingly big toe.

 

[Albion]

strange though that he averages more than jayasuriya

Why let something as trivial as facts get in the way!

 

[Legglancer]

strange though that he averages more than jayasuriya

Well Jayasuriya was batting at number 7,8,9, position for most of his carrier as a pinch hitter untill 1996 when he was promoted to open by ranatunga. Thats when he was expected to perform as a batsman.

So overall averages dont tell the whole story !

 

[tooextracool]

Well Jayasuriya was batting at number 7,8,9, position for most of his carrier as a pinch hitter untill 1996 when he was promoted to open by ranatunga. Thats when he was expected to perform as a batsman.

So overall averages dont tell the whole story !

no they dont, which is why i decided to look at his average from 96 onwards, which is still 36.10, and 0.42 less than trescos.
not much in it of course, but surely tresco is good enough to at least be considered his equal,especially when you consider that jayasuriya has presumably played on flatter wickets.

 

[marc71178]

Suit Yourself .... Trsco is not good enough to be sanaths left toe !

Keep on dreaming !

That'll be why Trescothick averages just shy of 40 whilst Jayasuriya is a touch over 30 then.

 

[marc71178]

doubt it, because neither one of us have predicted anything other than an aussie victory.

Precisely - I admit I am taking the proverbial out of the Aussies over these 2 games this week, but I know that come the Oval we'll be looking at another defeat.

 

[marc71178]

Well Jayasuriya was batting at number 7,8,9, position for most of his carrier as a pinch hitter untill 1996 when he was promoted to open by ranatunga. Thats when he was expected to perform as a batsman.

So overall averages dont tell the whole story !

Keep digging - he's batted 325 times in ODIs, opening on 279 occasions.

 

[age_master]

strange though that he averages more than jayasuriya

everyone knows averages dont necessarily mean much. anyone else remember the period around the 96 world cup in particular? 18 ODI hundreds and 57 50's? 188 sixes? SR of 90?

 

[chipmonk]

Keep digging - he's batted 325 times in ODIs, opening on 279 occasions.

his average from 1996 onwards if 36.10 wich is not that much less than marcus, but sanath scored at a much higher strike rate when he was in his prime. Also Jayasuriya Originated and reinvented ODI batting strategy, of course with Arjuna's brains .... but only jayasuriya could have executed it that well.

 

[chipmonk]

That'll be why Trescothick averages just shy of 40 whilst Jayasuriya is a touch over 30 then.

who are you trying to fool ?

Marcus has been averaging 37.56 in ODI's (2.46 less than 40) and Jaya has been averaging 36.10 since 1996.

 

[Legglancer]

let's see

Sanath Jayasuriya :-

ODI Batting Ave since 1996 = 36.10
ODI Runs scored = 9924 in 334 games at a strike rate above 90 untill captaincy.
ODI Bowling = 267 wickets @36.32

Innovated ODI batting strategy by his explosive opening partnaships
MVP 1996 world Cup

Some of his Records

Fastest all time ODI 50 (17 Balls)
3rd alltime Fastest ODI 100 (48 balls)
2nd highest all time ODI score of 189
2nd highest number of ODI career Sixers 188
Highest NUmber of runs in an over (30) against NZ and PAK
Highest munber of sixers in an innings (11)

amongt other's I havent even started on his bowling !

So mark tell me what Trscothick has done ?

 

[marc71178]

For a start, I only ever said as a batsman, but lets look at the numbers then:

Avg - SJ 31.90, MT 37.56 (OK, I admit the 40 was what he was last time I checked, but it's still a clear 5+runs)
S/R - SJ 88.57, MT 86.43
Tons - SJ 18 in 325, MT 9 in 99
50+ - SJ 75 in 325, MT 28 in 99

Add in that Trescothick averages more against all Test sides bar NZ and Bangladesh - and in most cases it's significantly more (look at Australia for an example).

 

[Legglancer]

For a start, I only ever said as a batsman, but lets look at the numbers then:

Avg - SJ 31.90, MT 37.56 (OK, I admit the 40 was what he was last time I checked, but it's still a clear 5+runs)
S/R - SJ 88.57, MT 86.43
Tons - SJ 18 in 325, MT 9 in 99
50+ - SJ 75 in 325, MT 28 in 99

Add in that Trescothick averages more against all Test sides bar NZ and Bangladesh - and in most cases it's significantly more (look at Australia for an example).

Read the previous posts and try answering again .... pointless going over the same suff that has been disproved !

Comprehension, comprehension my friend !

 

[Scaly piscine]

Read the previous posts and try answering again .... pointless going over the same suff that has been disproved !

Comprehension, comprehension my friend !

Disproved = ignored with own selective stats thrown up as a smokescreen?

 

[marc71178]

Exactly - Jayasuriya is based a lot on past glories and overhyping.

 

[Swervy]

Suit Yourself .... Trsco is not good enough to be sanaths left toe !

Keep on dreaming !

Admittedly JS was a ground breaking batsman 10 years ago, who had some great success....

However, I dont think there is much doubt that Trescothick performs more consistantly now...I think a fair indication of how the two have played are the records over the last 3 years (excluding B'desh games).

Trescothick averages 38.1 over the last 3 years(59 matches,2134 runs, 6 x 100's, 12 x 50's)...Jaya a shade under 34 (73 matches,2343 runs, 6 x 100's, 8 x 50's)...I would say the respective strike rates are about equal, maybe just in favour of Jaya.

But Trescothick plays more of his cricket in England which is undoubtedly a lower scoring environment than Asia, so that puts Trescothicks acheivements into a better light.

since the World Cup, Jaya has done very little.

So, I would take Trescothick over JS right now as an opener, but that isnt dissing Jaya in anyway. Trescothick is a very good ODI player and Jayasuriya's peak was quite a long time ago....but I still love watching him bat

 

[Legglancer]

Admittedly JS was a ground breaking batsman 10 years ago, who had some great success....

However, I dont think there is much doubt that Trescothick performs more consistantly now...I think a fair indication of how the two have played are the records over the last 3 years (excluding B'desh games).

Trescothick averages 38.1 over the last 3 years(59 matches,2134 runs, 6 x 100's, 12 x 50's)...Jaya a shade under 34 (73 matches,2343 runs, 6 x 100's, 8 x 50's)...I would say the respective strike rates are about equal, maybe just in favour of Jaya.

But Trescothick plays more of his cricket in England which is undoubtedly a lower scoring environment than Asia, so that puts Trescothicks acheivements into a better light.

since the World Cup, Jaya has done very little.

Swervy .... I appreciate your well thought comment. Its a breath of fresh air compered to some others here.
And have to agree that Sanath has been in in decline for sometime. I can see your point that Tresco might get the nod ahead of sanath these days, but why dont you look at sanath the "all rounder". Who would you say is the better bowler and fielder out of the 2 ?

 

[luckyeddie]

I'm the most evil person in the universe now am I?

You're a Yorkshireman, aren't you?

Says it all for me.

 

[Legglancer]

Exactly - Jayasuriya is based a lot on past glories and overhyping.

Here's a question ..... what records do you think we can expect from Tresco in the future???

Jayasuriya is past his best but trescothick should be lucky if could achieve a fraction of Sanaths achievements,