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***Official*** Australia in England (The Ashes)
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aussie
Hall of Fame Member
hayden is gone dont think even a little *** will help get his form back, wont be surprised if Hussey or Jaques is called up...marc71178 said:
Martyn has had some rough decisions but unlike Hayden he has looked looked like he can build a big score
Gilly isn't making runs because Flintoff is his nemisis take him out he will get a century
marc71178
Eyes not spreadsheets
You what?
England and NZ were evenly matched until the last day in all 3 games in that series, so 3-0 didn't reflect the games.
England have dominated the last 3 games, so the closeness of the actual scores is a huge misrepresentation of the games.
As an aside - I remember the FA Cup final this year. By far the better side on the day lost the cup.
England and NZ were evenly matched until the last day in all 3 games in that series, so 3-0 didn't reflect the games.
England have dominated the last 3 games, so the closeness of the actual scores is a huge misrepresentation of the games.
As an aside - I remember the FA Cup final this year. By far the better side on the day lost the cup.
marc71178
Eyes not spreadsheets
Yes, so please tell me how McGrath being in the team in the 2nd and 4th Tests would've changed that?aussie said:
That was the orignal question because the Australian problems are by no means confined to missing 1 player, contrary to what some people (you included) seem to be saying.
Actually it can help as so far England have batted first and always got a big score first up so if McGrath plays he "could" help bowl out England for a lowish score, therefore the Australian batsman wouldn't be under less pressure to score 600 runs just to get a small lead.marc71178 said:
Iam sure when there is less pressure on the batsman they will fire, pitty it's the last Test now though
- Lets face it at Old Trafford with them batting out of their skins in a defensive mode to just save the Test they scored almost 400 runs on the last day.
aussie
Hall of Fame Member
1. If McGrath was playing at edgbagston Ponting would have had a bowler who could have stemmed to scoring rate on that 1st day & based on how he bowled at lord's could have helped restrict England to a sub 407 scoremarc71178 said:
2. In this test he may have played a much more substanital role with the ball (than Kaspa) in Englands 1st innings & in the 2nd innings (especially)
Pedro Delgado
International Debutant
Speaking of injuries, it might have been different at OT if Jonah hadn't gotten cramp, and might have been a lot less close this match had he not done his foot.
We'll never know, same with McGrath.
The better side are 2-1 up, we know that.
We'll never know, same with McGrath.
The better side are 2-1 up, we know that.
sqwerty
U19 Cricketer
Are you serious?marc71178 said:
Australia couldn't have lost a more important player (except perhaps Warney).
The confidence the side has out of having McGrath take the new pill is equivalent to the kick in the guts they receive when he is out of the side.
How would England feel if say Flintoff missed the last test? mmmmmm I wonder.
aussie
Hall of Fame Member
1. I agree that the NZ series last year was didn't reflect the series i just said that `` its not like the NZ series last year where 3-0 England was a HUGE misrepresentation of the series....``marc71178 said:
2. Well based on your analysis of the NZ games i would say England onlu dominated the OT test all 5 days because at birmingham Australia played better than England on the 4th day & almost won & yesterday Australia aslo came back well so.....
3. Dont ever mention that final to me again that was more disappointing than watching Hayden struggle in this series
Kudos to England for winning after some major stumbles.
But Marc, are you a complete dill, McGrath missing the 2nd and 4th tests and being half fit for the 3rd is the defining point of the series, it gave Eng an incredible advantage and disrupted the Aussies at critical times, have a look at the difference to Eng with Jones being missing for part of ONE GAME, then times it by 10 for the impact of McGrath.
Its also incredibly frustrating to get the wrong end of poor decisions at critical times, Katich's decision would have a made a C grade umpire blush on reflection, it wasn't even close to being out.
There were 5 major calls in this test that altered the outcome of the match and every single one went against Australia.
Flintoff gets a life on 8, when he should have been given out LBW, goes on to get 102.
Jones should have been given out caught behind on 30, goes on to get 85.
Ponting give out LBW after inside edge.
Martyn give out LBW after inside edge.
Katich given out LBW, if this decision was the benchmark for LBW's then its a whole new ball game, it was outside leg and high.
Absolutely appalling umpiring, its not the fact that mistakes were made but more the absolute lack of consistency and the application of benefit of the doubt.
Its impossible to fashion any sort of resistance when we are consistently getting the wrong end of the umpires decision, its impossible to recall Australia getting a single critical decision run their way during this series.
I will say that if Aust win the final test and square the series, there will be one person to thank, Duncan Fletcher, the reason that Ponting blew up was because Fletcher was giving him a smart a*se send off as he walked up the race, I presume because of the substitute fielder issue. If the Aussies happen to snatch a result and then retain the Ashes, I'd suggest that little cameo will be the catalyst.
But Marc, are you a complete dill, McGrath missing the 2nd and 4th tests and being half fit for the 3rd is the defining point of the series, it gave Eng an incredible advantage and disrupted the Aussies at critical times, have a look at the difference to Eng with Jones being missing for part of ONE GAME, then times it by 10 for the impact of McGrath.
Its also incredibly frustrating to get the wrong end of poor decisions at critical times, Katich's decision would have a made a C grade umpire blush on reflection, it wasn't even close to being out.
There were 5 major calls in this test that altered the outcome of the match and every single one went against Australia.
Flintoff gets a life on 8, when he should have been given out LBW, goes on to get 102.
Jones should have been given out caught behind on 30, goes on to get 85.
Ponting give out LBW after inside edge.
Martyn give out LBW after inside edge.
Katich given out LBW, if this decision was the benchmark for LBW's then its a whole new ball game, it was outside leg and high.
Absolutely appalling umpiring, its not the fact that mistakes were made but more the absolute lack of consistency and the application of benefit of the doubt.
Its impossible to fashion any sort of resistance when we are consistently getting the wrong end of the umpires decision, its impossible to recall Australia getting a single critical decision run their way during this series.
I will say that if Aust win the final test and square the series, there will be one person to thank, Duncan Fletcher, the reason that Ponting blew up was because Fletcher was giving him a smart a*se send off as he walked up the race, I presume because of the substitute fielder issue. If the Aussies happen to snatch a result and then retain the Ashes, I'd suggest that little cameo will be the catalyst.
Irrespective of the other changes in the team, the first order of business should be to draft Symonds into the squad as the permanent 12th man, Eng have removed the historical premise of this position and I'd suggest that every single team will follow Eng's lead and revert to a specialist fielder and rotate their bowlers of the field for rests. This will become the norm or the ICC will have to change the rules.
It amazes me that Tremlett can be selected as 12th man and then not be required to be the first fielding replacement, its not against the rules so every team should be doing it.
This piece of gamesmanship will really sound the deathknell for sportsmanship in cricket, why should batsman like Gilchrist or Langer walk, when the opposition is taking the p*ss, I think we'll see the end of batsmen walking, why play to moral rules when the opposition doesn't feel like they have to?
It amazes me that Tremlett can be selected as 12th man and then not be required to be the first fielding replacement, its not against the rules so every team should be doing it.
This piece of gamesmanship will really sound the deathknell for sportsmanship in cricket, why should batsman like Gilchrist or Langer walk, when the opposition is taking the p*ss, I think we'll see the end of batsmen walking, why play to moral rules when the opposition doesn't feel like they have to?