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***Official*** Australia in England (The Ashes)

Adamc

Cricketer Of The Year
tooextracool said:
hit wicket.
and do you honestly beleive that at 92/6 england were actually even with australia on a wicket which is only going to get worse to bat on?
id be extremely surprised if pietersen doesnt go into ODI mode tomorrow morning, and hopefully we can get within 20-30 runs of australia, and even then we're going to get destroyed.
Not necessarily even, but not much of an upper hand for the reason that you just mentioned. If Pietersen lays into the bowling successfully they could get very close to Australia's score without too much difficulty. Now that Giles is out, there isn't really anyone to hold up one end while Pietersen does that, hence the advantage is significantly greater.
 

tooextracool

International Coach
vic_orthdox said:
Damn Slater beat me to it, but I was just about to post how Lee's going for reverse. It'll be interesting to see if Australia still want to swap the ball if he continues to get that shape. Not suprising, though, when the ball gets heavier and wet, much more likely to dip back in.
dont see any reason how reverse is going to help him on this wicket. the length to bowl is short or short of a length, bowl full and you'll just be carted all over the park.
 

FaaipDeOiad

Hall of Fame Member
Scaly piscine said:
Can't help but think Australia have had a big advantage from winning the toss (and batting first), the pitch still had movement in it but the bounce was pretty reliable when Australia batted. Since tea the bounce has been erratic to say the least, accounting for at least 2 of the England batsmen.
The pitch isn't quite a minefield though... I think we'll have to wait and see firstly how the weather is and secondly whether the pitch takes turn later. With the clouds over obviously Lee and McGrath will become even more dangerous as they'll be swinging it, and you'd think chasing anything in excess of 300 on a wicket with variable bounce as well as swing against bowlers of their class would be impossible. If it stays good and England can get reasonably close and then bowl Australia out for under 250 though, they can definately still win it. The test is extremely like to be short in length, which is helpful too.
 

tooextracool

International Coach
Adamc said:
Not necessarily even, but not much of an upper hand for the reason that you just mentioned. If Pietersen lays into the bowling successfully they could get very close to Australia's score without too much difficulty. Now that Giles is out, there isn't really anyone to hold up one end while Pietersen does that, hence the advantage is significantly greater.
i think the only chance we had of being close to even at the end of the day was if jones was still at the crease. there really was very very little chance of winning this game unless we got some sort of lead, because the fact is that mcgrath will destroy england on a wicket that is getting worse and the game will be over tomorrow.
 

FaaipDeOiad

Hall of Fame Member
tooextracool said:
dont see any reason how reverse is going to help him on this wicket. the length to bowl is short or short of a length, bowl full and you'll just be carted all over the park.
That's true, but being able to reverse it and throw the odd ball up there can't hurt. We saw that in Lee's last couple of overs, where he'd bowl a couple of wicked bouncers and sometimes get them to stay low or move a huge amount back in, and then throw up a reversing yorker. Certainly makes him that much harder to play under the circumstances.
 

Scaly piscine

Cricket Web: All-Time Legend
Love to know what game Cricinfo were watching:

"Trescothick was squared up by a perfect off-stump lifter and squirted a thick edge to Justin Langer at third slip"

A length, leg-stump nothing delivery that Tresco inexplicably, as an opening batsman, played at with a quarter bat and succeeded in yet again giving his wicket away.
 

tooextracool

International Coach
age_master said:
i reakon Gillespie will be the one to miss out this time round - but its anyones guess
i actually got my hopes up when i saw gillespie in the starting XI today. alas no matter how much tripe gillespie served up at the other end, mcgrath made up for it.
 

FaaipDeOiad

Hall of Fame Member
tooextracool said:
are you serious?
the more overs i see off gillespie, the more optimistic i get about englands chances.
Yeah, I think he bowled quite well... as I said, much better than he has been. He wasn't as good as McGrath and Lee obviously, but he bowled enough good balls that I'm happy enough to have him in the team.
 

Pratters

Cricket, Lovely Cricket
King_Ponting said:
Yeh instead of bell. But his replacement in peitersen is doing quite well.
It would send weird signals if Bell was considered a no brainer for selection before he test and a poor inning means he is out of favour. There were talks of how it was a positive sign to give confidence to Bell by saying his spot was secure before the test. Now strangely the talk of removing him starts coming up in whispers. It would have been exactly like that for Pieterson if he had failed to make an impact.

Unnecessary imo.
 

Run like Inzy

U19 12th Man
Man Mcgrath bowled amazingly! 5/21. England are finished unless KP plays well tommorow. Giles was such an idiot. Had to get out the last ball of the day!
 

FaaipDeOiad

Hall of Fame Member
tooextracool said:
do they ever play any different?
its a strategy that when it pays off looks brilliant and when it doesnt, it looks stupid.
Well, the best thing to happen under Ponting has been Australia developing a different gear for when they are in trouble... and they've used it all the time under his captaincy except when a test immediately follows an ODI series, like in Sri Lanka, New Zealand and here. I'm sure that's not the only reason for it, but it certainly seems to contribute. Australia are definately a better fighting team now than they were under Steve Waugh though, who was guilty of going too hard sometimes, and his team along with him.
 

tooextracool

International Coach
tassietiger said:
Don't know who would've picked Katich as the man to save the innings.
personally, i cant see any reason why people wouldnt.
i expect katich to score more runs than ponting on this tour.
 

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