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Hold up. If I implied any racism, I didn't mean to. I don't think it's racial and when I said simple West Indian I meant on the level of cricketers.Dasa said:
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**Official** Asia Cup 2004 Thread
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Arjun
Cricketer Of The Year
The Indians should play 5 bowlers, if Dravid keeps. That was introduced for balance, but having 7 batsmen does not add much balance. Besides, you're always a batsman short if one of them is injured, and if they're out of form, they still stay. Besides, Pathan is a very good #7. He may not be an all-rounder right now, but given enough opportunities, and a lot of practice, he can become one in the next 4/5 years. A bowler getting runs can help enforce results for a team quite well. Pathan has big match temperament as a batsman. He has his bowling to fall back on, and can make up for a disappointment with the ball with a good innings. A far better option than Parthiv Patel.
They can try playing 2 spinners- Pakistani basmen play seam better than spin. If Nehra's fielding has improved, he can play, else Balaji has to cut down in wides.- he will have to do so anyway. Bhajji may not be a Muralitharan, but if he bowls the way he did v/s Bangladesh, Kumble will get far more support and will be more effective.
Most importantly, throws have to hit the stumps. That extra runs should be stopped. Against Pakistan, fielding can win a match.
Bowling plans:
Pathan (long spell, must swing the ball)
Balaji/Nehra (may be taken off early, should bowl line/length)
Kumble (may be brought in early to slow the pace, should attack)
Sehwag (may be brought on early, should bowl 7 overs)
Harbhajan (start late, in middle overs, must stick to line and length, must attack)
Sachin (only 3 overs, a partnership breaker)
They can try playing 2 spinners- Pakistani basmen play seam better than spin. If Nehra's fielding has improved, he can play, else Balaji has to cut down in wides.- he will have to do so anyway. Bhajji may not be a Muralitharan, but if he bowls the way he did v/s Bangladesh, Kumble will get far more support and will be more effective.
Most importantly, throws have to hit the stumps. That extra runs should be stopped. Against Pakistan, fielding can win a match.
Bowling plans:
Pathan (long spell, must swing the ball)
Balaji/Nehra (may be taken off early, should bowl line/length)
Kumble (may be brought in early to slow the pace, should attack)
Sehwag (may be brought on early, should bowl 7 overs)
Harbhajan (start late, in middle overs, must stick to line and length, must attack)
Sachin (only 3 overs, a partnership breaker)
ReallyCrazy
Banned
There is only one thing i agree w/ alexkumar and that is about Laxman. I dont think he warrants a place in the one day side. He is not a good OD player at all. I think he is the most stylish/elegant batter I have seen but he gets very scratchy in one dayers.
I don't care what a batter averages......he could even average 50+ but it really matters whether he is reliable or not. This is especially true for a batter at positions 3 or 4. Laxman is NOT a realiable batter. By reliable I mean, a player should at least average 25 without counting his big (infrequent) scores. Laxman, in the last year, with his 5 centuries (and 2 of them not outs) averages 44 (I'd have expected a bigger aveage). But without those 5 centuries, he avearges 16. He's not reliable at all. He shouldn't be in the team. A middle order batter has got to be reliable not hit or miss.
Also one good point alexkumar makes is that laxman is in the team only for his batting. He cannot bowl and he isn't a good fielder either.
I'd have kaif at number 4. He is not a big shot maker but a guy who makes runs by picking up singles all the time w/ the odd boudary. If he comes in at 4, he will have a lot of time to get a partnership going w/ dravid and yuvraj. India can pick up a lot of runs by way of singles that laxman misses out on.
And guys don't disagree with what i said just for the sake of disagreeing. Think about it..............laxman is just not that good.
I don't care what a batter averages......he could even average 50+ but it really matters whether he is reliable or not. This is especially true for a batter at positions 3 or 4. Laxman is NOT a realiable batter. By reliable I mean, a player should at least average 25 without counting his big (infrequent) scores. Laxman, in the last year, with his 5 centuries (and 2 of them not outs) averages 44 (I'd have expected a bigger aveage). But without those 5 centuries, he avearges 16. He's not reliable at all. He shouldn't be in the team. A middle order batter has got to be reliable not hit or miss.
Also one good point alexkumar makes is that laxman is in the team only for his batting. He cannot bowl and he isn't a good fielder either.
I'd have kaif at number 4. He is not a big shot maker but a guy who makes runs by picking up singles all the time w/ the odd boudary. If he comes in at 4, he will have a lot of time to get a partnership going w/ dravid and yuvraj. India can pick up a lot of runs by way of singles that laxman misses out on.
And guys don't disagree with what i said just for the sake of disagreeing. Think about it..............laxman is just not that good.
tooextracool
International Coach
i can understand if they did that for the india games but to show SL-b'desh games on both channels when there is better cricket going on is just plain ridiculous. and its not like the commentators are any good either.Arjun said:
V Reddy
International Debutant
delkap said:I understand Lara has done great thing, but in my opinion Sachin is a better player.. Lara can be selfish sometimes IMO (going on to 400 and drawing the game, could hv retired on 320 odd) Sachin IMO plays more for the team. And I won't deny I am a bit biased too as I am an Indian and hv looked up to Sacin since I was 8 or 9.
I remember Sachin saying that he wants to open even when India won that Natwest series and oneday series in WI with him batting at 4. The Mumbai experts vocally advocated it even when the team was winning everything and he was back.
Then in Pakistan, when Dravid declared with him batting in the 190's ........
I don't how you can call Lara selfish and not Sachin if we go by the same rules
Mr Mxyzptlk
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Ah but that's just it - we don't.V Reddy said:I don't how you can call Lara selfish and not Sachin if we go by the same rules
delkap
State Vice-Captain
Sachin wanting to open was not him being selfish. He had no problem in doing wht was best for the team. He batted at 4 for a long time. But his scores dropped. He was always a better player when opening, and he was by far the best batsman. So makes sense to hv ur best batsman at a position which suits him best.. Now that is a team decision and not a personal one.. For eg, Dravid has now been doing well while keeping, but he has always stated he doesn't want to keep. But its team interests that are imp, so he continues... Similarly with Sachin, it was better for team if he opened (eg: WC03). If he continued hitting 100's in middle order, he would hv still been there...V Reddy said:I remember Sachin saying that he wants to open even when India won that Natwest series and oneday series in WI with him batting at 4. The Mumbai experts vocally advocated it even when the team was winning everything and he was back.
Then in Pakistan, when Dravid declared with him batting in the 190's ........
I don't how you can call Lara selfish and not Sachin if we go by the same rules
As for his 194* in Multan, wouldn't anyone be dissapointed. He merely stated that. He never suggested Dravid should hv done something else.. Why is a player just stating something being looked at as being selfish, and at same level at a player (Lara) batting on for 80-90 more runs just for the record, and putting his side's win in jeopardy
Arjun
Cricketer Of The Year
A classic example of "If it ain't broke, break it!"- why criticise something that works?
His coach, Ramakant Achrekar said the only position for him to bat is at 4, so that he knows how to pace his innings at any stage. That said, he can bat well in any position, from 1 to 6.
NikhilN
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Jnr.
First Class Debutant
This is pretty strange. India are going into the Pakistan clash with 5 specialist bowlers, ie only 6 specialist bats as compared to their normal 7.
India team: V Sehwag, SR Tendulkar, *SC Ganguly, +R Dravid, Yuvraj Singh, M Kaif, IK Pathan, A Kumble, L Balaji, A Nehra, Harbhajan Singh
India team: V Sehwag, SR Tendulkar, *SC Ganguly, +R Dravid, Yuvraj Singh, M Kaif, IK Pathan, A Kumble, L Balaji, A Nehra, Harbhajan Singh
