TendulkarFan
School Boy/Girl Captain
Agreed. They are the new owners of the "chokers" crown.Anil said:
All the credit to Sri Lanka! They knew what they had to do to win and did it quite well.
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**Official** Asia Cup 2004 Thread
- Thread starter Deja moo
- Start date
All the credit to Sri Lanka! They knew what they had to do to win and did it quite well.
and I was just gonna say its like azhar days when every other game IND would fold under 200.
Revelation
U19 Debutant
hmmmmm i wonder if they'll blame sachin for this one too??
TendulkarFan
School Boy/Girl Captain
The turning point of the game for me was Dravid's wicket. There used to be a time when Tendulkar's wicket was usually the turning point. Unfortunately for whatever reason, that has changed.
When Dravid walked in, Laxman and Ganguly had made scoring look like a herculean task. He showed that a quick partnership could be built after all, even on a tough pitch against a good spin attack, if the batsmen were willing to toil hard and get their runs the ugly way (i.e., through ones and twos.) Dare I say it, if Dravid had lasted 5-10 overs more, India probably would have won this game. But yeah, woulda shoulda coulda.....
Amazing...for the longest time, pressuring the opposition through quick singles and twos has been an integral part of the formula that the Aussies have based their success upon. And still some countries don't understand it and don't want to learn from it (SL has definitely learnt a lot from it.)
When Dravid walked in, Laxman and Ganguly had made scoring look like a herculean task. He showed that a quick partnership could be built after all, even on a tough pitch against a good spin attack, if the batsmen were willing to toil hard and get their runs the ugly way (i.e., through ones and twos.) Dare I say it, if Dravid had lasted 5-10 overs more, India probably would have won this game. But yeah, woulda shoulda coulda.....
Amazing...for the longest time, pressuring the opposition through quick singles and twos has been an integral part of the formula that the Aussies have based their success upon. And still some countries don't understand it and don't want to learn from it (SL has definitely learnt a lot from it.)
Sehwag309 said:
Oh thank you for the tip...
To the match:
I was very surprised after seeing how the Indians batted today..
First i thaught that there will not be any problem for the Indian to win this match but then after the 4th over I realised that it will be very very difficult for them to get those runs...
In the end they have to be very happy to score over 200 runs...
And now it will come the Tri Nation in Holland.. There it will be very interesting to see how Pakistan, India and Australia will perform..
All's fair, Lanka was the best team in the whole toruney, defended 228 superbly and deserve the cup.
lord_of_darkness
Cricket Web XI Moderator
you'll still fail opening with ganguly.. and i question havin both nehra and zaheer khan i think khan should be picked ahead and play either powar who would add more depth to batting and bowling ofcourse.. or play some other seamer whos on form eg Agarkar.. Nehra is unreliable..
TendulkarFan
School Boy/Girl Captain
Yeah, and get their game in top gear just in time for the ICCT where either of them will at least make the finals before losing to Aussies again.Sehwag309 said:
Deja moo
International Captain
I'm disappointed with Tendulkars batting too . The guy batted so defensively that the newer guys at the other end had to go for their shots and get out .IMO , if the pitch is playing low Tendulkar should have played better than he did .
He is after all the best batsman in the team , and if anyone should have shouldered the responsibility of upping the runrate , it should have been him .He played waayy to defensively , forcing the other guys to get out trying to up the runrate .
For the second time in the tournament ( remember his slow 78 vs Pak) , Tendulkar has shown a propensity to get into a shell .
I dont think thats the way Hayden , Ponting etc would have approached it .
He is after all the best batsman in the team , and if anyone should have shouldered the responsibility of upping the runrate , it should have been him .He played waayy to defensively , forcing the other guys to get out trying to up the runrate .
For the second time in the tournament ( remember his slow 78 vs Pak) , Tendulkar has shown a propensity to get into a shell .
I dont think thats the way Hayden , Ponting etc would have approached it .
Arjun
Cricketer Of The Year
Captaincy is definitely an issue. When the team has lost 10 ODI finals out of 13, there is definitely something wrong with the way the team is led. Especially when you look at Ganguly's methods.
First of all, on a slow turner, why should a captain play 3 medium-pacers? Only two bowlers looked capable, and they took 2 wickets for 90- an average of 45- hardly match-winning. Zaheer broke down yet again and needs to sort out issues as far as fitness and match temperament are concerned. A part-timer like Sachin, who is prone to bowling a lot of rubbish given an extended spell, returned 2/40 in 10 overs, while Sehwag's 10 returned 1/32, while even Harbhajan got a wicket for not too many. But still, why did the bowlers not complete their full 10 overs when in form? Is Sachin Tendulkar really far better than Irfan, Nehra and Harbhajan?
And why was Kumble sitting out? Is he worse than the three seamers? Look at his wicket-tally. He has more wickets than Zaheer and Nehra put together. And a far, far better leggie than Sachin. Yet he sits out. In fact, only one spinner plays, alongside three seamers, when out of the team's four best bowlers, two are spinners. Both capable match-winners, especially Kumble. Even when a spinner plays, he is treated as a second-rate defensive bowler, even when he is an attacking bowler like Kumble. Is it ever hard to imagine why the Indians are unable to bowl teams out in ODI's?
Even in batting, there are several issues to sort out. The Number 3 position is something crucial- only someone good enough for that position goes in there- Ponnting, Gurusinha and Kallis are there in tournament-winning teams. On form, is Ganguly as good as any of them? No way. He has struggled against the fast ball, the moving ball and the high ball. His strike rate, due to lack of boundaries and runs between wickets, has been awful. Yet he comes out to bat in this position, which should be taken by Rahul Dravid, or VVS Laxman.
Why should Yuvraj always bat so low down the order? He comes in to face slow bowlers, against whom he has his problems when he starts. No doubt he must improve upon that aspect, but his main strength is batting against the new ball, when it comes on the bat at a good pace. Besides, he is the captain's choice as opener. That is reason enough to send him at a higher position. The way he is batting now, is he really the right choice for opening the innings?
Rahul Dravid has been wicketkeeping in as many as 10 ODI series, but just two of them were won by the Indians. How can it be considered successful? Each time he is keeping, he struggles to even hold the ball! This upsets many a bowler or fielder throwing from the deep, as the run-out miss showed. A real wicketkeeper is what the team needs behind the stumps- he has to take catches, complete stumpings, effect runouts, and if possible, bat like a top order batsman, or at least contribute 10-20 runs from number 9. The selectors know this best, but does the captain? The answer is known to one and all.
First of all, on a slow turner, why should a captain play 3 medium-pacers? Only two bowlers looked capable, and they took 2 wickets for 90- an average of 45- hardly match-winning. Zaheer broke down yet again and needs to sort out issues as far as fitness and match temperament are concerned. A part-timer like Sachin, who is prone to bowling a lot of rubbish given an extended spell, returned 2/40 in 10 overs, while Sehwag's 10 returned 1/32, while even Harbhajan got a wicket for not too many. But still, why did the bowlers not complete their full 10 overs when in form? Is Sachin Tendulkar really far better than Irfan, Nehra and Harbhajan?
And why was Kumble sitting out? Is he worse than the three seamers? Look at his wicket-tally. He has more wickets than Zaheer and Nehra put together. And a far, far better leggie than Sachin. Yet he sits out. In fact, only one spinner plays, alongside three seamers, when out of the team's four best bowlers, two are spinners. Both capable match-winners, especially Kumble. Even when a spinner plays, he is treated as a second-rate defensive bowler, even when he is an attacking bowler like Kumble. Is it ever hard to imagine why the Indians are unable to bowl teams out in ODI's?
Even in batting, there are several issues to sort out. The Number 3 position is something crucial- only someone good enough for that position goes in there- Ponnting, Gurusinha and Kallis are there in tournament-winning teams. On form, is Ganguly as good as any of them? No way. He has struggled against the fast ball, the moving ball and the high ball. His strike rate, due to lack of boundaries and runs between wickets, has been awful. Yet he comes out to bat in this position, which should be taken by Rahul Dravid, or VVS Laxman.
Why should Yuvraj always bat so low down the order? He comes in to face slow bowlers, against whom he has his problems when he starts. No doubt he must improve upon that aspect, but his main strength is batting against the new ball, when it comes on the bat at a good pace. Besides, he is the captain's choice as opener. That is reason enough to send him at a higher position. The way he is batting now, is he really the right choice for opening the innings?
Rahul Dravid has been wicketkeeping in as many as 10 ODI series, but just two of them were won by the Indians. How can it be considered successful? Each time he is keeping, he struggles to even hold the ball! This upsets many a bowler or fielder throwing from the deep, as the run-out miss showed. A real wicketkeeper is what the team needs behind the stumps- he has to take catches, complete stumpings, effect runouts, and if possible, bat like a top order batsman, or at least contribute 10-20 runs from number 9. The selectors know this best, but does the captain? The answer is known to one and all.
ReallyCrazy
Banned
India just didn't put enough runs on the board in the first 15 overs. Both the openers have got to be aggressive. The building the innings part should be left to the middle order. I am not going to blame Tendulkar or anything but I think its time he went down to #3. He has become too defensive.