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*Official* Ashes Series Thread
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Neil Pickup
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YES!!!
I totally agree with Rik re: Vaughan.
Re: Trescothick, he just seems to get found out against the Aussies, they seem to have an effective game plan centred around his tendency to fish outside off stump.
I hope Caddick now keeps bowling like this and doesn't lapse back into his short-of-a-length dirge he had produced previously.
End of term report for the Squad
Trescothick C/D
Vaughan A*
Butcher B/C
Hussain B
Key C/B
Crawley C/D
Stewart C/B
Foster B
White A
Tudor D
Dawson D
Giles B
Caddick B
Harmison B/A
Hoggard C/B
Silverwood U
I totally agree with Rik re: Vaughan.
Re: Trescothick, he just seems to get found out against the Aussies, they seem to have an effective game plan centred around his tendency to fish outside off stump.
I hope Caddick now keeps bowling like this and doesn't lapse back into his short-of-a-length dirge he had produced previously.
End of term report for the Squad
Trescothick C/D
Vaughan A*
Butcher B/C
Hussain B
Key C/B
Crawley C/D
Stewart C/B
Foster B
White A
Tudor D
Dawson D
Giles B
Caddick B
Harmison B/A
Hoggard C/B
Silverwood U
marc71178
Eyes not spreadsheets
A bit harsh on Crawley and kind on Key there Neil!
Also harsh on Dawson (he showed spirit), kind on Tudor (should never play again for England - his bowling isn't as good as Hoggard, and his batting is dire - playing him at 8 is a recipe for disaster)
And Foster ahead of Stewart - Alec did well I thought.
Incidentally Australia may dominate the top echelons of the batsmen, but we dominate the 20's
21 Trescothick
22 Stewart
23 Hussain
25 Thorpe
27 Butcher
Only Oz of the rest have 6 in the top 30, then it's SL, WI, India and SA with 3 apiece.
Also harsh on Dawson (he showed spirit), kind on Tudor (should never play again for England - his bowling isn't as good as Hoggard, and his batting is dire - playing him at 8 is a recipe for disaster)
And Foster ahead of Stewart - Alec did well I thought.
Incidentally Australia may dominate the top echelons of the batsmen, but we dominate the 20's
21 Trescothick
22 Stewart
23 Hussain
25 Thorpe
27 Butcher
Only Oz of the rest have 6 in the top 30, then it's SL, WI, India and SA with 3 apiece.
age_master
Hall of Fame Member
my ratings of the english have to be a little different
Trescothick - pathetic series, very dissapointing
Vaughan - class bat, excellent series, best bat they have produced in a long time
Butcher - played a couple of good innings after abit of luck
Hussain - after saying that England was going to beat australia about 5000000000 times, they finally did, but husssain hasn't done much more than annoy people for most of the summer and personally i would find it hard to find a place for him in the WC squad
Key - Looked good in the warm up matches, failed to produce in the tests, silenced by lee on a few occasions
Crawley - i think he thinks he owns time, bored the hell out of australian spectators though
Stewart - played some good innings and saved england on numerous occasions, whould stay as keeper for the world cup and i believe, though his glovework isn't the greatest the number of runs he scores is far more than any other english keeper could
Foster - looked great with the gloves (compared to stewart) but his Batting could use work, will do well in the future
White - took alot of wickets but failed alot with the bat, though i think he is abit more of an ODI specialist
Tudor - should have bowled more in the early tests when hoggard was not taking wickets
Dawson - needs to do more with the ball
Giles - Sad too see him go home, he looked good while he was here
Caddick - should not be opening the bowling in test matches, his 1st innings stats for hhis career are shocking, got lucky alot with batsmen holing out to his bowling, dosnt do much with the ball
Harmison - looked ok, doesn't do much with the ball though
Hoggard - looked great after his stint with the acadamy, will partner Anderson well in the future i think (also shows what australians can do for you
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Silverwood - didn't really see him bowl much
Jones - looked good with the ball, crap fielding technique though
Trescothick - pathetic series, very dissapointing
Vaughan - class bat, excellent series, best bat they have produced in a long time
Butcher - played a couple of good innings after abit of luck
Hussain - after saying that England was going to beat australia about 5000000000 times, they finally did, but husssain hasn't done much more than annoy people for most of the summer and personally i would find it hard to find a place for him in the WC squad
Key - Looked good in the warm up matches, failed to produce in the tests, silenced by lee on a few occasions
Crawley - i think he thinks he owns time, bored the hell out of australian spectators though
Stewart - played some good innings and saved england on numerous occasions, whould stay as keeper for the world cup and i believe, though his glovework isn't the greatest the number of runs he scores is far more than any other english keeper could
Foster - looked great with the gloves (compared to stewart) but his Batting could use work, will do well in the future
White - took alot of wickets but failed alot with the bat, though i think he is abit more of an ODI specialist
Tudor - should have bowled more in the early tests when hoggard was not taking wickets
Dawson - needs to do more with the ball
Giles - Sad too see him go home, he looked good while he was here
Caddick - should not be opening the bowling in test matches, his 1st innings stats for hhis career are shocking, got lucky alot with batsmen holing out to his bowling, dosnt do much with the ball
Harmison - looked ok, doesn't do much with the ball though
Hoggard - looked great after his stint with the acadamy, will partner Anderson well in the future i think (also shows what australians can do for you
)Silverwood - didn't really see him bowl much
Jones - looked good with the ball, crap fielding technique though
Neil Pickup
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A bit harsh on Crawley and kind on Key there Neil!
Crawley bored the pants off me and didn't make enough of it. Key's got the shots and showed them enough for me
Also harsh on Dawson (he showed spirit), kind on Tudor (should never play again for England - his bowling isn't as good as Hoggard, and his batting is dire - playing him at 8 is a recipe for disaster)
These were attainment grades, not effort! Agreed on Tudor, mind...
And Foster ahead of Stewart - Alec did well I thought.
Stewart needs pensioning off IMO, let's get someone new in, and I thought it was too playing-for-average at times...
Incidentally Australia may dominate the top echelons of the batsmen, but we dominate the 20's, only Oz of the rest have 6 in the top 30, then it's SL, WI, India and SA with 3 apiece.
That's cause we're actually not that bad, believe it or not...
Hussain - after saying that England was going to beat australia about 5000000000 times, they finally did, but husssain hasn't done much more than annoy people for most of the summer and personally i would find it hard to find a place for him in the WC squad
Suggest a better captain, then.
Crawley - i think he thinks he owns time, bored the hell out of australian spectators though
It wasn't just the Aussies...
Stewart - played some good innings and saved england on numerous occasions, whould stay as keeper for the world cup and i believe, though his glovework isn't the greatest the number of runs he scores is far more than any other english keeper could
Then he stands down for Read or Foster.
White - took alot of wickets but failed alot with the bat, though i think he is abit more of an ODI specialist
Batted as well as anyone else... Second best of the series IMO
Tudor - should have bowled more in the early tests when hoggard was not taking wickets
It's not like he would have taken any!
Dawson - needs to do more with the ball
Or "something" would be nice... Did my eyes deceive me or did he turn some today?
Caddick - should not be opening the bowling in test matches, his 1st innings stats for hhis career are shocking, got lucky alot with batsmen holing out to his bowling, dosnt do much with the ball
10 Lucky Wickets, eh?
Harmison - looked ok, doesn't do much with the ball though
Impressed me a lot, anyway
Hoggard - looked great after his stint with the acadamy, will partner Anderson well in the future i think (also shows what australians can do for you)
I had faith all along
Silverwood - didn't really see him bowl much
Did anyone?
Jones - looked good with the ball, crap fielding technique though
Wasn't his fault!
Crawley bored the pants off me and didn't make enough of it. Key's got the shots and showed them enough for me
Also harsh on Dawson (he showed spirit), kind on Tudor (should never play again for England - his bowling isn't as good as Hoggard, and his batting is dire - playing him at 8 is a recipe for disaster)
These were attainment grades, not effort! Agreed on Tudor, mind...
And Foster ahead of Stewart - Alec did well I thought.
Stewart needs pensioning off IMO, let's get someone new in, and I thought it was too playing-for-average at times...
Incidentally Australia may dominate the top echelons of the batsmen, but we dominate the 20's, only Oz of the rest have 6 in the top 30, then it's SL, WI, India and SA with 3 apiece.
That's cause we're actually not that bad, believe it or not...
Hussain - after saying that England was going to beat australia about 5000000000 times, they finally did, but husssain hasn't done much more than annoy people for most of the summer and personally i would find it hard to find a place for him in the WC squad
Suggest a better captain, then.
Crawley - i think he thinks he owns time, bored the hell out of australian spectators though
It wasn't just the Aussies...
Stewart - played some good innings and saved england on numerous occasions, whould stay as keeper for the world cup and i believe, though his glovework isn't the greatest the number of runs he scores is far more than any other english keeper could
Then he stands down for Read or Foster.
White - took alot of wickets but failed alot with the bat, though i think he is abit more of an ODI specialist
Batted as well as anyone else... Second best of the series IMO
Tudor - should have bowled more in the early tests when hoggard was not taking wickets
It's not like he would have taken any!
Dawson - needs to do more with the ball
Or "something" would be nice... Did my eyes deceive me or did he turn some today?
Caddick - should not be opening the bowling in test matches, his 1st innings stats for hhis career are shocking, got lucky alot with batsmen holing out to his bowling, dosnt do much with the ball
10 Lucky Wickets, eh?
Harmison - looked ok, doesn't do much with the ball though
Impressed me a lot, anyway
Hoggard - looked great after his stint with the acadamy, will partner Anderson well in the future i think (also shows what australians can do for you)
I had faith all along
Silverwood - didn't really see him bowl much
Did anyone?
Jones - looked good with the ball, crap fielding technique though
Wasn't his fault!
age_master
Hall of Fame Member
Caddicks 10 wickets, a couple of them weer very lucky and well he managed to bowl and hit the spots that bounced more than average, yeah i would say he was pretty lucky to have gotten 10, Hoggard bowled much bettr than caddick for no reward
if i were an english selector i would pick (assuming fully fit)
OD
Tresco (c)
Knight
Vaughan
Collingwood
Key
Irani
stewart
Blackwell
Caddick
Hoggard
Anderson
test
Tresco (c)
Vaughan
Butcher
Knight
Key
Flintoff
Stewart
White
Giles
Anderson
Hoggard
if i were an english selector i would pick (assuming fully fit)
OD
Tresco (c)
Knight
Vaughan
Collingwood
Key
Irani
stewart
Blackwell
Caddick
Hoggard
Anderson
test
Tresco (c)
Vaughan
Butcher
Knight
Key
Flintoff
Stewart
White
Giles
Anderson
Hoggard
age_master
Hall of Fame Member
you have players that ou dont like , as do i, caddick is one of the players i dont like, esp because he gets wickets with luck and crap bowling and down the other end you got hoggard bowling brilliantly without luck
age_master
Hall of Fame Member
if it were skill he would have done it much more often
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It's really sad that Caddick managed to get 10 wickets against AUSTRALIA by bowling crap.
Rik
Cricketer Of The Year
Considering all the other pitches were batting paradises...once he gets a pitch that does something he gets 10 Wickets, you can't complain about that. I thought he had lost it during this series, but he showed in this Test he is a quality bowler. He just needs to be interisted more often.age_master said:
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Yeah come on guys, Caddick hardly bowled crap. I mean there were a few 4 balls but Caddick was the only bowler in the series so far who actually looked like ripping through the top-order. On the length he bowled, he looked very dangerous and quite frankly, the Aussie batsmen just couldn't figure out how to handle good bowling like that.
And the Aussie bowlers; shocking, in a word. What was needed was good line bowling, especially considering that Gillespie wasn't fully fit. So what did Bichel and Lee do? Try to blast out the batsmen like Vaughan and Hussain with bouncers and yorkers. And where did Michael Vaughan score most of his runs? That's right, square of the wicket. Gee, I WONDER WHY???!?!?!
Lee and Bichel bowled like morons the whole game and it was in the English batting where the game was REALLY lost. Sure Caddick bowled like a champ but he could only attack like that with big scores on the board.
And the Aussie bowlers; shocking, in a word. What was needed was good line bowling, especially considering that Gillespie wasn't fully fit. So what did Bichel and Lee do? Try to blast out the batsmen like Vaughan and Hussain with bouncers and yorkers. And where did Michael Vaughan score most of his runs? That's right, square of the wicket. Gee, I WONDER WHY???!?!?!
Lee and Bichel bowled like morons the whole game and it was in the English batting where the game was REALLY lost. Sure Caddick bowled like a champ but he could only attack like that with big scores on the board.
Rik
Cricketer Of The Year
Well it looks like at least one person round here has their head screwed on right. Fair enough T_C, why we got annoyed though is that a player who rips through a side like Australia that easily cannot have bowled badly! There are some major worries for Australia like the lack of form of Ponting (well he might be in form but then he's just too confident and getting out cheaply) and Martyn hasn't settled at Number 4...also Bichel's not really been very potent, Lee's learnt nothing new and MacGill showed exactly why he's having such a poor season...
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Well, that's possible but you gotta admit, Caddick got him with a beauty in the first-innings and an almost unplayable in the second. There's was little Ponting could do about either of those deliveries and in fact, it's BECAUSE he's in form that he was able to touch the ball which got him in the first-innings.
Like Langer; in good touch but not going on with his starts and in general has look relatively composed. I predict a big series for the man in the WI.
I think he's not bowling real well because he looks quite tired. I mean, he's bowled a lot of overs this year for little reward and judging by the way he bowled, he looks weary and most importantly, his bowling looks tired. He's not getting the same drift he used to and I can only surmise that's because he's not putting much work on the ball. This'll be his first average season for a while and we all have them.
Blewy
Cricketer Of The Year
Firstly, i'd like to commend Caddick on his bowling in the final test, during the series he went missing, just when the English attack needed a leader he dissapeared...
But to his credit he returned in the last test to show what he can do with a bit of assistance from a good wicket...
He really had the Aussies in trouble with his length, even throughout the series Hayden top-edged alot of hook/pull shots due to Caddick bouncers...
His problem is that he does bowl alot of "4 balls", just like Brett Lee, but when they are on song they are lethal...
And i agree with T_C about the Aussie bowling in that final test...
Although the batsman didn't play that well, they still had us in the game, the bowlers didn't step up, Dizzy shouldn't have played and has now paid the price, Lee and Bichel seemed to be in contest to see who could bowl the best short-ball neither won and MacGilla IMO was out of form and shouldn't have been there, but i also agree with T_C that he has bowled alot of overs and this only made things worse...
I think its time to congratulate England, they won fair and square...
Fine they got a few decisions go their way but who's to say if Vaughan was given not out then England could have posted 600....
But to his credit he returned in the last test to show what he can do with a bit of assistance from a good wicket...
He really had the Aussies in trouble with his length, even throughout the series Hayden top-edged alot of hook/pull shots due to Caddick bouncers...
His problem is that he does bowl alot of "4 balls", just like Brett Lee, but when they are on song they are lethal...
And i agree with T_C about the Aussie bowling in that final test...
Although the batsman didn't play that well, they still had us in the game, the bowlers didn't step up, Dizzy shouldn't have played and has now paid the price, Lee and Bichel seemed to be in contest to see who could bowl the best short-ball neither won and MacGilla IMO was out of form and shouldn't have been there, but i also agree with T_C that he has bowled alot of overs and this only made things worse...
I think its time to congratulate England, they won fair and square...
Fine they got a few decisions go their way but who's to say if Vaughan was given not out then England could have posted 600....
