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**Official** 2004 Natwest Series (Eng, NZL, WI)
- Thread starter Craig
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New Zealand is now seen as the premier ODI side this year
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Well - I'd still rate Australia as a comfortable first with India second (Compare India's top order with NZ's, and consider their emerging bowling talent of Irfan Pathan and Balaji).
NZ would be either third of fourth with South Africa. I'd still back South Africa to beat us comfortable in a home series of 5 or 7 matches.
If NZ wants to keep winning we have to attempt to fix out current problems rather than keeping the same players even if we continue to win. Throw out McMillan and some more consistency with our fast-bowlers will do fine with me.
NZ would be either third of fourth with South Africa. I'd still back South Africa to beat us comfortable in a home series of 5 or 7 matches.
If NZ wants to keep winning we have to attempt to fix out current problems rather than keeping the same players even if we continue to win. Throw out McMillan and some more consistency with our fast-bowlers will do fine with me.
Mingster
State Regular
Faster than Butler (who's really only fast-medium) and a tad below Bond pace and without the accuracy. Canterbury will have a mighty pace attack if all were to be fit.Blakey said:
Will Cairns continue to play State Champs cricket or just flag it? There's really no point in playing Cairns, as it would only hold back the likes of Neil Broom etc.
Mingster
State Regular
Hamish Marshall for Tests? No. As for the "nudging around" ability, it's only really useful in ODIs as he "nudges" the ball to third man alot. I would prefer to see the likes of Fulton in the Test side ahead of Hamish, unless he can score some runs in the State Champs.anzac said:
I agree with your comment on Lou Vincent, our batting depth in the country is not vast enough for us to just totally ignore Vincent forever.
Marshall hasn't really struggled on "low and slow" pitches so far, that's just an overrated comment.
Tim
Cricketer Of The Year
I don't know if we need another Marshall in the team as they play the exact same way...although let's be honest, James Marshall with his dab & run type play may be far better than a McMillan who tries to create his own new cricket shots.
The fact is that we've got enough strike-power in the middle order with Oram, Cairns, McCullum & Styris that adding James Marshall may not be a bad idea.
The fact is that we've got enough strike-power in the middle order with Oram, Cairns, McCullum & Styris that adding James Marshall may not be a bad idea.
MoxPearl
State Vice-Captain
india meatspx ?
they are the most over rated side on the planet.....
And if memory serves me correct last time we played them we destroyed them
And no i wouldnt rate south africa to beat us... i think we are a bit better than them...
imho nz are 2nd... with south africa a "TINY" bit behind..
But sure most people will disagree with me on that :P
they are the most over rated side on the planet.....
And if memory serves me correct last time we played them we destroyed them
And no i wouldnt rate south africa to beat us... i think we are a bit better than them...
imho nz are 2nd... with south africa a "TINY" bit behind..
But sure most people will disagree with me on that :P
Tim
Cricketer Of The Year
And you'd be right 
India are one of the better ODI sides, but you can't say the same about their test cricket unfortunately.
Yeah, we smacked South Africa 5-1..but I wouldn't bet on the same thing happening if we play them in South Africa any time soon.
Still since 2001/2002, NZ has pretty much beaten every nation in an ODI series (including triangular series)
Infact I think the only 2 nations we haven't beaten are Zimbabwe & Bangladesh because of course we haven't played them. We get our chance against Bangladesh in October & its unlikely we'll be playing Zimbabwe anytime soon.
India are one of the better ODI sides, but you can't say the same about their test cricket unfortunately.
Yeah, we smacked South Africa 5-1..but I wouldn't bet on the same thing happening if we play them in South Africa any time soon.
Still since 2001/2002, NZ has pretty much beaten every nation in an ODI series (including triangular series)
Infact I think the only 2 nations we haven't beaten are Zimbabwe & Bangladesh because of course we haven't played them. We get our chance against Bangladesh in October & its unlikely we'll be playing Zimbabwe anytime soon.
Tim
Cricketer Of The Year
I wouldn't be surprised if a few players were left at home, but lets not under-estimate Bangladesh & im sure the selectors won't.
I think McMillan & Vettori need to be left out. The selectors will probably select both of them & claim this is a good chance for them to gain form. But we all know what will happen..they'll both get alot of runs & wickets & then turn up to Australia & get hammered.
IMO they've got to start looking at either Fulton or Taylor & the left-arm spinner Bruce Martin.
One other player I thought of is Jamie How. He's an opener but he could also be a decent middle order batsman. But there isn't really enough quality openers in NZ & I don't know if we should really start messing about with players & positions.
I think McMillan & Vettori need to be left out. The selectors will probably select both of them & claim this is a good chance for them to gain form. But we all know what will happen..they'll both get alot of runs & wickets & then turn up to Australia & get hammered.
IMO they've got to start looking at either Fulton or Taylor & the left-arm spinner Bruce Martin.
One other player I thought of is Jamie How. He's an opener but he could also be a decent middle order batsman. But there isn't really enough quality openers in NZ & I don't know if we should really start messing about with players & positions.
Tim
Cricketer Of The Year
Mind you..How plays the majority of his cricket in New Plymouth which would have to have the worst batting track in the country.
He's showed everytime he's batted on a decent track that he can score runs.
Back in 2000 for that World Club Championship in Perth, he scored 2 50's & Dean Jones thought he had a good future.
He's been around for 3 seasons now & hopefully next season he'll score plenty of runs.
He's showed everytime he's batted on a decent track that he can score runs.
Back in 2000 for that World Club Championship in Perth, he scored 2 50's & Dean Jones thought he had a good future.
He's been around for 3 seasons now & hopefully next season he'll score plenty of runs.
Mingster
State Regular
Ahhhhh....get all the good up coming batsmen down to the South Island.
Vincent, Nicol, Marshall, Marshall, Taylor, How, Ryder all go down to Canterbury and Otago to get some good tracks to play on! Seriously, that wouldn't be a bad idea. And move all the good promising bowlers in NZ to Auckland, ND and CD for all the green-seamers....
Vincent, Nicol, Marshall, Marshall, Taylor, How, Ryder all go down to Canterbury and Otago to get some good tracks to play on! Seriously, that wouldn't be a bad idea. And move all the good promising bowlers in NZ to Auckland, ND and CD for all the green-seamers....