***Offical*** English Football Season 2004/05

[Tom Halsey]

In fact I would place a lot of the credit for England's current side actually beginning to look decent at his door.

?!

They've produced 1 England player, which doesn't compare to United and West Ham, who are probably the most important clubs for England's side.

 

[steds]

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They've produced 1 England player, which doesn't compare to United and West Ham, who are probably the most important clubs for England's side.

Arsenal may have only produced one England player but they've raised the quality of the Premier League which will in turn raise the quality of the English players in that league for them to make the grade, which will make Englands side stronger.

 

[Tom Halsey]

Arsenal may have only produced one England player but they've raised the quality of the Premier League which will in turn raise the quality of the English players in that league for them to make the grade, which will make Englands side stronger.

I don't see how one team improving (with foreigners) improves the whole League... they don't even win it regularly.

 

[Langeveldt]

I don't see how one team improving (with foreigners) improves the whole League... they don't even win it regularly.

I fail to see how a guy like Henry doesn't raise the standard of whatever he is playing in...

 

[Tom Halsey]

He raises the standard of his own team, not every team...

 

[Langeveldt]

He raises the standard of his own team, not every team...

And a top english player wouldnt?

 

[Tom Halsey]

When did I say that?!

 

[steds]

He raises the standard of his own team, not every team...

but he does raise the standard of other teams, as an opposing defender would learn more through playing against him than an English player who may have been played for Arsenal had Henry not joined, but could be a far worse player, like Sean Devine for example (not that I've got anything against Exeter, Neil)

 

[Tom Halsey]

but he does raise the standard of other teams, as an opposing defender would learn more through playing against him than an English player who may have been played for Arsenal had Henry not joined, but could be a far worse player, like Sean Devine for example (not that I've got anything against Exeter, Neil)

I see your point, it is a very good one.

I would say however that most teams defenders playing against Arsenal wouldn't be using young defenders...

 

[steds]

I see your point, it is a very good one.

I would say however that most teams defenders playing against Arsenal wouldn't be using young defenders...

you don't have to be young to learn something

 

[Tom Halsey]

If the defenders are 30 when they play him though, they're not going to be much use to England just because they've played against Henry, they're unlikely to get picked because they won't have long left.

 

[Tom Halsey]

Oh dear Chelsea, where has your Quadruple gone?

Have to say the sending off was harsh, Johnson did well in goal from the free-kick though.

 

[twctopcat]

The start of the slippery slope for chelsea..............

 

[marc71178]

Ferguson turned United from mid table plodders to Title winners on practically nothing...

Nothing by todays standards maybe, but at the time the expenditure on Keane wasn't nothing.

 

[marc71178]

Turning a team from 4th or 5th into occasional title winners doesn't compare to Ferguson's achievements while spending almost nothing.

Oh yes, the likes of Rooney, Ronaldo, Ferdinand, van Nistlerooy were all for almost nothing

 

[marc71178]

?!

They've produced 1 England player, which doesn't compare to United and West Ham, who are probably the most important clubs for England's side.

He's introduced a lot of the nutrition and fitness ideas that teams now use.

 

[marc71178]

Oh dear Chelsea, where has your Quadruple gone?

I wonder how many trophies Manure will win...

 

[twctopcat]

I wonder how many trophies Manure will win...

We all wonder, but i'd say we've got a chance of winning the same amount of trophies as chelsea can, which isn't a bad thing. Anything is possible playing like we are at the moment.

 

[marc71178]

Chelsea already have the League in the bag and should win the League Cup.

I wager Manure won't win 2.

 

[twctopcat]

Oh yes, the likes of Rooney, Ronaldo, Ferdinand, van Nistlerooy were all for almost nothing

Yeah but to get to the level man utd are now was built on english players in the early 90's, with the exception of cantona for 1.2million, a snip. Keane was a big spend at 3.75 million at the time, but i'd say he was worth it. That's what everyone forgets about man utd, it wasn't always like this, Ferguson rejuvenated the club in much the same way as Sir Matt Busby did post WWII.