***Offical*** English Football Season 2004/05

[sledger]

i agree, the premiership is definately not the best in the world and after you get out of the top 6 there a few mediocre sides and the rest are extremely average or dire, its as simple as that, in terms of points everton are closer to the bottom of the table than they are to arsenal, thats a complete joke which highlights how little strength in depth the premiership has.

 

[Neil Pickup]

i agree, the premiership is definately not the best in the world and after you get out of the top 6 there a few mediocre sides and the rest are extremely average or dire, its as simple as that, in terms of points everton are closer to the bottom of the table than they are to arsenal, thats a complete joke which highlights how little strength in depth the premiership has.

As opposed to Italy, where Udinese and Palermo are fifth and sixth, or Spain, where Sevilla and Villareal are third and fourth?

 

[Link]

yeah of course thats very similar to what Ronaldinho, Owen and Deco says about the premiership. We getting as bad as the scottish league, next year the league is only out of man u, chelsea and arsenal, and i couldnt even guess when that will change

 

[superkingdave]

I agree with what Neil said, I watch the Spanish live match most weeks and there are some poor teams in there, not sure about Italy but i'm failry sure they have their fair share

 

[sledger]

As opposed to Italy, where Udinese and Palermo are fifth and sixth, or Spain, where Sevilla and Villareal are third and fourth?

sevilla , villareal, and udinese would have no problems beating the likes of birmingham, spurs, aston villa and all those other suchlike teams, they are good sides, the premisership is misleading as it makes birmingham look better than mediocre, which they cleary are not. and as for spurs then they are just poor year in year out, never getting better i dont care what anyone says.

 

[sledger]

yeah of course thats very similar to what Ronaldinho, Owen and Deco says about the premiership. We getting as bad as the scottish league, next year the league is only out of man u, chelsea and arsenal, and i couldnt even guess when that will change

woah lets not go too far, its no where near as poor as the SPL, but the premiership is not as good as la liga, and debateably not asgood as serie A, its is the next best after those though.

 

[Neil Pickup]

yeah of course thats very similar to what Ronaldinho, Owen and Deco says about the premiership. We getting as bad as the scottish league, next year the league is only out of man u, chelsea and arsenal, and i couldnt even guess when that will change

Gappage: In Italy, Palermo (6) are closer to the bottom, and Spain's Bilbao (8) and are, too.

All you need is one super-rubbish team and you blow that stat wide-open. It's nearly as weak as the "Laxman averages 3 when he doesnt pass 10" stat. You want Variance to measure competitiveness!

Now, in the Conference you need to go down to Gravesend in 14th...

 

[kendall]

As has already been said the top 3 are just so far ahead and this gap is just going to grow and grow

 

[Neil Pickup]

sevilla , villareal, and udinese would have no problems beating the likes of birmingham, spurs, aston villa and all those other suchlike teams, they are good sides, the premisership is misleading as it makes birmingham look better than mediocre, which they cleary are not. and as for spurs then they are just poor year in year out, never getting better i dont care what anyone says.

Villareal can't beat AZ Alkmaar...

 

[kendall]

The quality outside the top 3 really isnt that good. There are some very mediocre teams doing well look at Everton and Bolton all credit to them they have great managers but really they are not greaat sides

 

[Neil Pickup]

The quality outside the top 3 really isnt that good. There are some very mediocre teams doing well look at Everton and Bolton all credit to them they have great managers but really they are not greaat sides

And Sevilla and Palermo are?

 

[sledger]

if we want to go down that road.......
villareal beat barcelona, who lost to real madrid, who lost to juve, who lost to liverpool, who lost to chelsea, who lost to man city, who lost to tranmere in the league cup, who lost to brentford, who lost to vauxhaul motors

 

[sledger]

And Sevilla and Palermo are?

theyre by far superior to the english equivalents such as birmingham and spurs.

 

[Magrat Garlick]

theyre by far superior to the english equivalents such as birmingham and spurs.

Birmingham = twelfth. Sevilla = third. Your point?

 

[sledger]

fine then, they would see off everton easily as well. and probably beat middlesbrough, and bolton without many problems.

 

[superkingdave]

well liverpool are 6th and they are in the Champions League semis.....

 

[sledger]

so? celta vigo were in the second round last year and they were relegated

 

[Neil Pickup]

Prove it.

Here's an interesting graph I made...

 

[superkingdave]

Nice graph Neil, i came up with a similar one but i included Scotland as well

 

[Neil Pickup]

Here are some more. I'm not sure what they all mean, but they're pretty, and I think they do suggest that there's naff all difference between the leagues in terms of variance and competitiveness. Except in Scotland!