NZ's bowling without Bond

[marc71178]

I'd say that is a bit of an overstatement there Tim - 2 or 3 major players missing every series?!

 

[Tim]

well we've missed Cairns for almost 2 years now in tests, although NZ are probably getting to the point where it doesn't matter too much now.

In recent times we've had Shane Bond, Nathan Astle, Daniel Vettori missing on different occassions & retired players like Dion Nash & Shayne O'Connor who came & went between 1999 & 2001. There was also a time in late 1999 when Stephen Fleming was out for about 5 or 6 months too.

And with the small player base we have, it definately hits us harder than other countries.

 

[Craig]

But you can also say New Zealand are used to playing without their big name players.

Fleming has few world class players in his squads, but he is wise enough to get the best out of them. I dont think it would matter not one iota if Cairns never played for New Zealand again as he is hardly missed.

 

[warrioryohannan]

You take a Murli out of Sri Lanka, a Shoaib out of Pakistan, and they are going to struggle. It is no different with New Zealand and Bond.

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Fair enough on Lanka, but as far as Pak are concerned, if you take out Akhter from the team, even then they have Sami & Saqlain, 2 class bowlers.

NZ without Bond is like a Pakistani batting lineup without Inzi!!

 

[marc71178]

Fair enough on Lanka, but as far as Pak are concerned, if you take out Akhter from the team, even then they have Sami & Saqlain, 2 class bowlers.

Not that class yet - Saqqy isn't even an automatic pick (missed a lot of games recently, and Sami is nowhere near finished.

NZ without Bond is like a Pakistani batting lineup without Inzi!!

So which bowlers in NZ equate to Yousuf Youhana and Younis Khan then?

 

[Tim]

the bowling attack NZ are using in the current test is really suited to balance the team..NZ have 2 RFM bowlers on the sidelines (Mason & Butler) and instead they went with Wiseman so NZ's pace bowling was rather weak in this match.

I'd say NZ will play Butler in the next test & that'll probably make NZ's pace attack more potent than it currently looks.

 

[Kiwi]

New Zealand are never going to get anywhere in cricket if they continue doing what they are doing.

Number 1 rule. Opening the bowling is a specialist position. Never open with a bowler like Oram. A total waste of the new ball. He is NOT a new ball bowler.

Styris is not a first change bowler either. We are one pace bowler short in this match. Styris can play as a batsman.

A team should look like this.

Batter - Richardson (correct)
Batter - Vincent (correct)
Batter - Fleming (correct)
Batter -Styris (correct)
Batter - Astle (correct)
+ we have mcMillan here
Alrounder - Oram (correct)
Keeper -Hart (correct)
Bowler - Vettori (correct)
Bowler - Wiseman (correct)
Bowler - Tuffey (correct)
Bowler - we have no one for here.

Either we drop Vincent and get Fleming opening, and bring Butler in. Or we drop McMillan and keep the top order the way it is.

We will never win a test against a batting line up with 3/4 strike bowlers. The NZ selectors need to think.

 

[Craig]

NZ could use Richard Jones as an opener.

 

[Kiwi]

Jones coming in doesn't solve the problem though. Just gives us another batter, when we already have one too many.

Drop Vincent, Fleming can open, and if he doesn't want to bring someone like Vettori up the order just to fill in the space. Then bring in Butler or Mason. I would prefer Butler because he has more pace, where Mason is really just another one in the speed of Tuffey.

 

[Eclipse]

Re: Re: NZ's bowling without Bond

Eclpise has copped some critism from his comments about Australian players, but that is whole lot different.

Not that much infact it's been quite a while sine I said anything contriversial.

Any way I never coped as much critisisim as you have for your "Over Rated Players"

 

[marc71178]

Drop Vincent, Fleming can open, and if he doesn't want to bring someone like Vettori up the order just to fill in the space.

A Test side shouldn't need to "fill in the space"

 

[marc71178]

Re: Re: Re: NZ's bowling without Bond

Not that much infact it's been quite a while sine I said anything contriversial.

I thought it was quiet round here!

 

[Craig]

And Rik isnt around as well.

 

[warrioryohannan]

Not that class yet - Saqqy isn't even an automatic pick (missed a lot of games recently, and Sami is nowhere near finished.

Saqlain is class act, the reason he isn't picked in Pak team is other than performance.

Sami might not be a class pacer yet but he has won some matches for Pak and i don't think NZ has a pacer of Sami potential (if you don't consider Bond and Cairns)

 

[warrioryohannan]

So which bowlers in NZ equate to Yousuf Youhana and Younis Khan then?

My point was that NZ bowling is as much dependent on Bond as Pak batting is dependent on Inzi. Youhanna might be a good batsman but he can't win matches on his own.

As for Younis, he's mediocre at best, the only reason he's in Pak side is coz they don't have quality batsman.

 

[marc71178]

My point was that NZ bowling is as much dependent on Bond as Pak batting is dependent on Inzi. Youhanna might be a good batsman but he can't win matches on his own.

As for Younis, he's mediocre at best, the only reason he's in Pak side is coz they don't have quality batsman.

Youhana and Khan are both good players, who would be pushing for selection in most Test sides.

To say NZ rely on Bond is a bit strage if you ask me (since he's only played 10 Test matches)

 

[marc71178]

Saqlain is class act, the reason he isn't picked in Pak team is other than performance.

If that's the case, why isn't he playing every game when he's in the squad then?

He's a good player, but if he were World Class, his "other than performance" would be overlooked.

 

[Mr Mxyzptlk]

If that's the case, why isn't he playing every game when he's in the squad then?

He's a good player, but if he were World Class, his "other than performance" would be overlooked.

...considering the track record of the Pakistani selectors...

 

[Mr Mxyzptlk]

Youhana and Khan are both good players, who would be pushing for selection in most Test sides.

I would personally have Youhana in the top 10 Test batsman currently. I think he's an outstanding batsman. In ODI cricket he's also exceptionally good and very near to Inzi as an allround player if not on par.

 

[Kiwi]

A Test side shouldn't need to "fill in the space"

No they shouldn't but when the selectors leave 3 of the 4 best opening batters back in NZ sometimes you don't have a lot of options.. Since when has Vincent been an opener? The answer to that is since the NZ selectors started to stuff him about and totally ruin his international carear by batting him at 6 one day, opening the next, at number 3 the next.