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No 1 fast bowlers in last 50 years

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Randomfan

U19 12th Man
govinda indian fan said:
Yes bumrah and cummins are going head to head and so far bumrah leads 2-1. Would intresting to see who leads after next round ie 2027 bgt in india
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I don't think you need to only see BGT to compare them. Bumrah has clearly broken away and ahead as the best in his generation.


Away record against non-minnows,


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Difference is not due to Bumrah bowling in more pacer friendly away conditions. Bumrah is outbowling Cummins in Asia and even in his home grounds.

In Asia:

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In Aus:

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You can also look at,

Pacers against top sides:

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We can see that Bumrah is outbowling Cummins as all condition bowler and also against top sides despite Cummins playing lots of home tests. For all practical puposes, you can remove Cummins from the list you were making for best bowlers. Cummins is second for sure, but not really close or going toe to toe. You can do the same for other generations to pick the best.
 
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Randomfan

U19 12th Man
Narayana said:
Walsh?
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I was trying to list for best candiates. Walsh was never seen as the best any time. Wasim was closer to that than Walsh despite not being best any time himself.

Personally for OP's purpose, I will stick with the first list. No one needs to do any mental gymnastic to prove that they are tier 1 pacers with great away record, great record against top teams and also acknolwedged as the best during their time.
 
capt_Luffy

capt_Luffy

International Coach
govinda indian fan said:
Wrote roberts but changed my mind at last minute. Akthar was incredibly inconsistent. Had bad records vs two best batting sides in Australia and india
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2000s everyone else is just worse. If only one decade for each pacer, then Steyn is definitely in the 10s. So that leaves Akhtar who actually has a great record (even against India, that Test is probs most famous for his 2 wickets of Dravid and Sachin) but was very injury prone and hardly played regularly or someone like Ntini
 
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peterhrt

State 12th Man
Randomfan said:
No point in looking at smaller chunks like 2 years or 3 years. Then you will start finding that XYZ was rank 1 for 1-2 years. Best bowlers shoudl have good over all records ( home, away, against top teams, against top teams away). Last one(away agasint top teams) only tier 1 pacers will have.
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This was the approach adopted by Simon Wilde in his book Number One, published in 1997. Using a good mix of contemporary opinion and stats he listed the world's leading batsmen and bowlers, looking to establish long reigns over a significant period. He also took all formats into account. For example, his list of bowlers for the 25 years between 1972 and 1997 was as follows:

1972-83: Lillee
1983-90: Marshall
1990-93: Ambrose
1993-97: Warne

An alternative method is to take a snapshot at each calendar year-end. Using the ICC Test Rankings would produce the following:

1972 Underwood, 1973 Bedi, 1974 Underwood, 1975 Lillee, 1976 Roberts, 1977 Lillee, 1978 Willis, 1979-80 Botham, 1981 Lillee, 1982-83 Imran Khan, 1984 Marshall, 1985-88 Hadlee, 1989-90 Marshall, 1991-92 Ambrose, 1993 Waqar Younis, 1994-95 Warne, 1996-97 McGrath.

Thirteen bowlers now cover the period instead of four, with only Hadlee reigning for as many as four years in total.
 
Narayana

Narayana

U19 Cricketer
Randomfan said:
I don't think you need to only see BGT to compare them. Bumrah has clearly broken away and ahead as the best in his generation.


Away record against non-minnows,


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Difference is not due to Bumrah bowling in more pacer friendly away conditions. Bumrah is outbowling Cummins in Asia and even in his home grounds.

In Asia:

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In Aus:

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You can also look at,

Pacers against top sides:

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We can see that Bumrah is outbowling Cummins as all condition bowler and also against top sides despite Cummins playing lots of home tests. For all practical puposes, you can remove Cummins from the list you were making for best bowlers. Cummins is second for sure, but not really close or going toe to toe. You can do the same for other generations to pick the best.
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Anderson has good/great record in asia , so is it fair to call him a home bully?
 
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govinda indian fan

International 12th Man
Randomfan said:
I don't think you need to only see BGT to compare them. Bumrah has clearly broken away and ahead as the best in his generation.


Away record against non-minnows,


View attachment 45065



Difference is not due to Bumrah bowling in more pacer friendly away conditions. Bumrah is outbowling Cummins in Asia and even in his home grounds.

In Asia:

View attachment 45063


In Aus:

View attachment 45064

You can also look at,

Pacers against top sides:

View attachment 45066


We can see that Bumrah is outbowling Cummins as all condition bowler and also against top sides despite Cummins playing lots of home tests. For all practical puposes, you can remove Cummins from the list you were making for best bowlers. Cummins is second for sure, but not really close or going toe to toe. You can do the same for other generations to pick the best.
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All he needs to do is get to 300 wickets just to cross only barrier between him and 2nd greatest fast bowler title. Fingers crossed that he does get to 300 wickets🙏🙏
 
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Randomfan

U19 12th Man
capt_Luffy said:
Wasim over McGrath for the 90s
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Wasim falls short of McGrath when you look his record against stronger sides in 90s. I know some posters will say this team was close to that team, but top 5 W/L is a reasonable cut off when we are talking about 7-8 non-minnow test teams. Over all trend against top teams is captured well with top 5 in W/L.


Top 5 teams at home in 90s:

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Top 5 teams home and away combined:

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Pacers record away against top teams:

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Pacers over all record against top teams:

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Randomfan

U19 12th Man
Narayana said:
Anderson has good/great record in asia , so is it fair to call him a home bully?
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Even in his peak, Anderson was not that great away against top teams. In the same period, he was going great at home against same teams.

Pick any longer period for Anderson and you can see if he was doing good home and away against top sides. You will spot a trend.


Another way to see,

Try to guess who are two bowlers with these away figures, Top one is Anderson. Second bowler has an identical number of away 5-fers despite playing half and has similar avg.

76 tests - Avg 30.66 SR 65 8 5-fers
40 tests - Avg 30.55 SR 63 8 5-fers
 
kyear2

kyear2

International Coach
Randomfan said:
No point in looking at smaller chunks like 2 years or 3 years. Then you will start finding that XYZ was rank 1 for 1-2 years. Best bowlers shoudl have good over all records ( home, away, against top teams, against top teams away). Last one(away agasint top teams) only tier 1 pacers will have.
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Basically.
 
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