New Zealand All Time Team - Open Voting

[NUFAN]

*insert joke about Pews and his ability to run things on this site*

 

[Flametree]

No-one criticises South Africa's bowling attack for being samey, despite the fact that Steyn, Philander, Morkel and Kallis are all right arm quicks.

Yeah but plenty of people criticise them for never having a decent spinner...

 

[wellAlbidarned]

Especially subcontinental teams who get rolled for <100 by Steyn playing while at home on "spin friendly" pitches

 

[Coronis]

Yeah but plenty of people criticise them for never having a decent spinner...

Clearly you don't need a decent spinner to be successful. I thought the Windies established that? A good spinner will obviously help, and be a great asset. If you don't have a good spinner though, its better to just go with the good/great quicks you have.

 

[watson]

Clearly you don't need a decent spinner to be successful. I thought the Windies established that? A good spinner will obviously help, and be a great asset. If you don't have a good spinner though, its better to just go with the good/great quicks you have.

One of the aspects of a spinner is that they increase the effectiveness of the pace attack by (presumerably) causing the batsman to readjust their technique at the beginning of each over.

It is a simple fact that the West Indian attacks of the 80s were more potent with 3 quicks and a spinner/medium pacer, than a full-frontal assault of 4 quicks.

 

[BeeGee]

Who's the skipper?

Crowe

 

[Fuller Pilch]

Crowe

John Reid

 

[Blakey]

Cricketweb Australia All Time XI
Victor Trumper
Arthur Morris
Sir Donald Bradman *
Greg Chappell
Allan Border
Keith Miller
Adam Gilchrist +
Shane Warne
Denis Lille
Bill O'Reilly
Glenn McGrath

Ricky Ponting
Allan Davidson

Cricketweb West Indies All Time XI
Gordon Greenidge
Sir Conrad Hunte
George Headley *
Sir I.V.A. Richards
Brian Lara
Sir Garfield Sobers
Sir Clyde Walcott +
Malcolm Marshall
Michael Holding
Curtly Ambrose
Joel Garner

Frank Worrell
Lance Gibbs

Cricketweb England All Time XI
Sir Jack Hobbs
Sir Len Hutton *
Wally Hammond
Ken Barrington
Denis Compton
Sir Ian Botham
Allan Knott +
Jim Laker
Harold Larwood
Fred Trueman
Syd Barnes

Hedley Verity
Kevin Pietersen

Cricketweb South Africa All Time XI
Barry Richards
Graeme Smith *
Jacques Kallis
Graeme Pollock
Dudley Nourse
Aubrey Faulkner
Mike Procter
John Waite +
Dale Steyn
Hugh Tayfield
Allan Donald

Shaun Pollock
Herbie Taylor

Cricketweb Pakistan All Time XI
Hanif Mohammad
Saeed Anwar
Younis Khan
Javed Miandad
Inzamam-ul-Haq
Mushtaq Mohammad
Imran Khan *
Rashid Latif +
Wasim Akram
Fazal Mahmood
Waqar Younis

Mohammad Yousuf
Saqlain Mushtaq

Cricketweb India All Time XI
Sunil Gavaskar
Vijay Merchant
Rahul Dravid
Sachin Tendulkar
Vijay Hazare
Vinoo Mankad
Farokh Engineer
Kapil Dev
Anil Kumble
Javagal Srinath
Erapalli Prasanna

Mohammad Azharuddin
Amar Singh

Cricketweb Sri Lankan All Time XI
Marvan Atapattu
Sanath Jayasuriya
Kumar Sangakkara
Aravinda de Silva
Mahela Jayawardene *
Thilan Samaraweera
Prasanna Jayawardene +
Chaminda Vaas
Lasith Malinga
Muttiah Muralitharan
Rangana Herath

Arjuna Ranatunga
Ashantha de Mel

Cricketweb New Zealand All Time XI
Glenn Turner
Stewie Dempster
Bert Sutcliffe
Martin Crowe
Martin Donnelley
Brendon McCullum
John R. Reid
Chris Cairns
Richard Hadlee
Shane Bond
Jack Cowie

Stephen Fleming
Hedley Howarth

So which team would win?

 

[BeeGee]

So which team would win?

England, Australia and West Indies would be my top three.

Leaning towards the Windies.

 

[Jezroy]

Who's the skipper?

Brendon Mccullum, for his aggressiveness

Question is - How the heck is he going to earn the right to be aggressive in an all time XI?

 

[kyear2]

So which team would win?

Toss up between W.I and Australia for me. South Africa and England in with a chance to play spoiler as well.

 

[Coronis]

So which team would win?

Australia.

 

[watson]

West Indies or South Africa for mine.

Would like to go for Australia but tbh I think that both Trumper and Morris would fold too quickly when put under pressure by Marshall/Ambrose/Holding/Garner or Procter/Donald/Steyn. They might make the odd good partnership but I think that they would be too inconsistent over the usual 5 Test duel. It then becomes a question as to how many runs Bradman/Chappell/Border can score against a ball with some shine on it, relative to the West Indian or South African line-ups of course.

But whether my guess is right or wrong, I think the team with the most 'counter-attacking' players who don't fold under pressure is most likely to win a head-to-head contest. That is, when the skill level is very close, character counts for everything.

 

[doesitmatter]

Australia for me...I somehow feel spin of Australia can nail West Indies and SA other 2 strong teams..

 

[kyear2]

Australia for me...I somehow feel spin of Australia can nail West Indies and SA other 2 strong teams..

I actually created a thread for this type of discussion.

People seem to forget that Headley, Lara, Sobers, Walcott and yes, even IVA were excellent players of spin. Lara scored almost all of his great innings againts Warne and Mcgrath and sometime Mcgill. Headley scored hundreds on uncovered wickets againts Verity, Grimmett and Ironmonger, Viv dominated Underwood and scored hundreds in India vs the quartet. It is a myth the the W.I and in particular this line up was weak againts spin.

 

[hendrix]

Pakistan also very strong

 

[Prince EWS]

Mcgill

Oh come on.

 

[the big bambino]

Thinking much the same as kyear. WI batsmen can handle spin though I'd still take a punt on leg spin against them.

 

[KungFu_Kallis]

Hadlee
Crowe
Bond
Sutcliffe

NFI which keeper. McCullum would refuse the gloves and ask to be selected in your XI at a batsman.