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Name your countries all star XI

honestbharani

Whatever it takes!!!
And TBF, Marto became quite the subcontinent specialist.
yeah, but the weakness I was alluding to was in terms of having enough firepower to bowl out subcontinental sides on subcontinental wickets cheaply enough to win, which I mentioned in my original post.


Don't really see the batting line up having too many difficulties in the subcontinent, although they will have SOME difficulty as can be expected against the spinners there...
 

The Sean

Cricketer Of The Year
Not arguing with you mate, I agree with your opinion on the bowling lineup - as I said in my first post about it, the side looks a bowler short.

But if you can watch Greg Chappel, M Waugh and Marto all bat together then who cares about your bowling attack?
 
Saeed Anwar
Hanif Muhammad
Zaheer Abbas
Javed Miandad
Inzamam-ul-Haq
*Imran Khan
+Rashid Latif
Wasim Akram
Fazal Mahmood
Saqlain Mushtaq
Waqar Younis
 

honestbharani

Whatever it takes!!!
Not arguing with you mate, I agree with your opinion on the bowling lineup - as I said in my first post about it, the side looks a bowler short.

But if you can watch Greg Chappel, M Waugh and Marto all bat together then who cares about your bowling attack?
sorry, misinterpreted what you meant. :)


But yeah, agree with you. Bowling attack won't be that great, but we will just let Mark Waugh and Martyn along with Greg Chappell bowl filler overs and hope Warney and Lillee have a great day with Thommo striking the odd blow.


May, of course, would be torn apart.... :ph34r:
 

silentstriker

The Wheel is Forever
  1. Mechant
  2. Gavaskar
  3. Dravid
  4. Tendulkar
  5. Amarnath
  6. Kirmani
  7. Dev
  8. Amar Singh
  9. Nissar
  10. Bedi (subcontinent)/Gupte (everywhere else)

Bedi with his ridiculous average of 14 in the 4th innings needs to play on subcontinental tracks.
 

honestbharani

Whatever it takes!!!
  1. Mechant
  2. Gavaskar
  3. Dravid
  4. Tendulkar
  5. Amarnath
  6. Kirmani
  7. Dev
  8. Amar Singh
  9. Nissar
  10. Bedi (subcontinent)/Gupte (everywhere else)

Bedi with his ridiculous average of 14 in the 4th innings needs to play on subcontinental tracks.
so ur team is SO good that u won't need a 11th player? :-O
 

Richard

Cricket Web Staff Member
  1. Mechant
  2. Gavaskar
  3. Dravid
  4. Tendulkar
  5. Amarnath
  6. Kirmani
  7. Dev
  8. Amar Singh
  9. Nissar
  10. Bedi (subcontinent)/Gupte (everywhere else)

Bedi with his ridiculous average of 14 in the 4th innings needs to play on subcontinental tracks.
Let me get this straight - you'd have Mohinder Armanath ahead of the Vishwanaths, Vengsarkars, Hazares etc?

And you'd have Kirmani ahead of Engineer?

And you'd leave an 11th spot open, allowing people to assume it'd be Prasanna or Nadkarni in there, rather than Subhash Gupte? :-O
 

silentstriker

The Wheel is Forever
so ur team is SO good that u won't need a 11th player? :-O
Couldn't think of another bowler - don't want to play two spinners except at home. You can fill in #11 with whatever you want.

Let me get this straight - you'd have Mohinder Armanath ahead of the Vishwanaths, Vengsarkars, Hazares etc?
Yes. I thought about Hazare, but chose Amarnath. He was better than Vengsarkar and Vishwanath IMO. Primary reason for that is he was (in my opinion) the best player of quality fast bowling - as good as anyone else on the team. Hazare is extremely close in terms of making it though, and he might if I decide to play only four bowlers (which is what I normally prefer, but in this case, taking 20 wickets is the problem and I don't feel comfortable doing it consistently with this four-man attack).

And you'd have Kirmani ahead of Engineer?
Almost certainly. He was a better wicketkeeper IMO.

And you'd leave an 11th spot open, allowing people to assume it'd be Prasanna or Nadkarni in there, rather than Subhash Gupte? :-O
No, not Prasanna or Nadkarni. Like I said, I wouldn't play two spinners except in the subcontinent (and in that case I'd want Bedi plus Kumble, so you'd have very contrasting styles). Overseas, I'd want a fast bowler, but couldn't think of a good one. Thinking about it some more, I'd probably have Ghavri.
 
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Richard

Cricket Web Staff Member
Yes. I thought about Hazare, but chose Amarnath. He was better than Vengsarkar and Vishwanath IMO. Primary reason for that is he was (in my opinion) the best player of quality fast bowling - as good as anyone else on the team. Hazare is extremely close in terms of making it though, and he might if I decide to play only four bowlers (which is what I normally prefer, but in this case, taking 20 wickets is the problem and I don't feel comfortable doing it consistently with this four-man attack).
Armanath was a better player of quality seam-bowling than Vishwanath and Vengsarkar? :huh:
Almost certainly. He was a better wicketkeeper IMO.
But Engineer was a better batsman, and more than good enough as a wicketkeeper if not quite as good as Kirmani.
No, not Prasanna or Nadkarni. Like I said, I wouldn't play two spinners except in the subcontinent (and in that case I'd want Bedi plus Kumble, so you'd have very contrasting styles). Overseas, I'd want a fast bowler, but couldn't think of a good one. Thinking about it some more, I'd probably have Ghavri.
Gupte and Chandra were effective outside the subcontinent though. Why not have Gupte and Bedi at home and Gupte and Chandra away?
 

silentstriker

The Wheel is Forever
Armanath was a better player of quality seam-bowling than Vishwanath and Vengsarkar? :huh:
Yes.

But Engineer was a better batsman, and more than good enough as a wicketkeeper if not quite as good as Kirmani.
Yes. But I'd still have Kirmani as Engineer is overrated in terms of his batting ability.

Gupte and Chandra were effective outside the subcontinent though. Why not have Gupte and Bedi at home and Gupte and Chandra away?
Because I don't want two spinners away, and I think Bedi and Kumble would be better at home. As I mentioned, I'd rather have another fast bowler, like Ghavri, away.
 

Richard

Cricket Web Staff Member
How?
Yes. But I'd still have Kirmani as Engineer is overrated in terms of his batting ability.
How?
Because I don't want two spinners away, and I think Bedi and Kumble would be better at home. As I mentioned, I'd rather have another fast bowler, like Ghavri, away.
You'd rather have a mediocre seam-bowler like Kharsan Ghavri than a top-notch wristspinner like Gupte or Chandra? :huh:
 

silentstriker

The Wheel is Forever
You'd rather have a mediocre seam-bowler like Kharsan Ghavri than a top-notch wristspinner like Gupte or Chandra? :huh:
Yea. Kapil and Ghavri formed a decent partnership in the late seventies. I think they are the only partnership (who opened in a minimum 40 innings or something) in the history of cricket to never allow a 100 run opening stand. Obviously, that is more of a statistical anomaly than anything else - Ghavri was an underrated complimentary bowler. At home, I've said that I would play two spinners.
 

biased indian

International Coach
01.Sunil Gavaskar
02.Virendra Sehwag
03.Rahul Dravid
04.Sachin Tendulkar
05.Gundappa Vishwanath
06.Vinoo Mankad
07.Kapil Dev
08.Syed Kirmani
09.Anil Kumble
10.Erapalli Prasanna
11.Mohammad Nissar
 

The Sean

Cricketer Of The Year
Hash on Merchant, and you could have picked any combination of spinners without making much difference, but that's a superb side.
 

Engle

State Vice-Captain
01. S.Gavaskar
02. V.Merchant
03. R.Dravid
04. S.Tendulkar
05. G.Vishwanath
06. S.Ganguly (c)
07. Kapil Dev
08. S.Kirmani (wk)
09. J.Srinath
10. A.Kumble
11. E.Prasanna

Leadership essential and arguably India's best LH bat in Ganguly
 

Richard

Cricket Web Staff Member
01.Sunil Gavaskar
02.Virendra Sehwag
03.Rahul Dravid
04.Sachin Tendulkar
05.Gundappa Vishwanath
06.Vinoo Mankad
07.Kapil Dev
08.Syed Kirmani
09.Anil Kumble
10.Erapalli Prasanna
11.Mohammad Nissar
I mean, Kirmani ahead of Engineer is one thing, but Sehwag ahead of Merchant? :blink:

And is L Amar Singh not > Prasanna TBH?
 

Shaggy Alfresco

State Captain
Richard.

Read the first post.

This is not an best ever test XI.

This is an all-star test XI.

And I quote:

First post said:
Ok just a few rules to keep this thread argument free.

I dont want anyone saying "ohh so and so player is not as good as so and so"

These are people's personal choices, everyone has their own opinion.
 

Lillian Thomson

Hall of Fame Member
1. Len Hutton
2. Jack Hobbs
3. Denis Compton
4. W.G. Grace
5. Wally Hammond
6. Ian Botham
7. Alan Knott
8. Hedley Verity
9. Jim Laker
10. Robin Jackman
11. Harold Larwood
 

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