Yes, both top tier. Amby has all Garner has plus extra pace. TBH there are no bad picks here, WI have ten or so absolute top draw quicks to choose from.
-
Welcome to the Cricket Web forums, one of the biggest forums in the world dedicated to cricket.
You are currently viewing our boards as a guest which gives you limited access to view most discussions and access our other features. By joining our free community you will have access to post topics, respond to polls, upload content and access many other special features. Registration is fast, simple and absolutely free so please, join the Cricket Web community today!
If you have any problems with the registration process or your account login, please contact us.
Name an overrated and an underrated cricketer
- Thread starter mr_mister
- Start date
One group of cricketers who tend to be underrated are those who appeared before their country started playing Tests. Leading three first-class run-scorers and wicket-takers below. Only covers matches within that country before its Test debut.
England Batsmen (to 1877)
WG Grace 16453 runs @ 55.96. 56 centuries
Harry Jupp 12905 @ 24.91. 11 centuries
Richard Daft 8210 @ 28.50. 7 centuries
England Bowlers
William Lillywhite 1576 wickets @ 10.35. Wpm 6.6
James Southerton 1527 @ 14.36. Wpm 6.2
William Hillyer 1482 @ 10.91. Wpm 6.4
(Bowling averages taken from innings where runs conceded were recorded.)
Australia Batsmen (to 1877)
Ned Gregory 446 runs @ 20.27
Nat Thomson 431 @ 12.31
Thomas Kelly 377 @ 20.94
Australia Bowlers
Sam Cosstick 106 wickets @ 9.41. Wpm 5.9
Thomas Wills 102 @ 8.98. Wpm 6.0
Joseph Coates 55 @ 10.67. Wpm 5.5
West Indies Batsmen (to 1928)
George Challenor 2070 runs @ 47.04. 8 centuries
Tim Tarilton 2052 @ 50.04. 6 centuries
Harold Austin 1718 @ 33.68. 1 century
West Indies Bowlers
Sydney Smith 200 wickets @ 13.85. Wpm 5.4
CR "Snuffy" Browne 171 @ 20.14. Wpm 4.9
Clifford Goodman 126 @ 10.70. Wpm 8.4
New Zealand Batsmen (to 1930)
Syd Hiddleston 3814 runs @ 39.72. 8 centuries
Roger Blunt 3538 @ 38.87. 9 centuries
Lance Hemus 2792 @ 38.24. 8 centuries
New Zealand Bowlers
Alec Downes 305 wickets @ 14.20. Wpm 6.2
Ernest Upham 261 @ 15.95. Wpm 5.6
Stan Brice 247 @ 21.29. Wpm 4.0
England Batsmen (to 1877)
WG Grace 16453 runs @ 55.96. 56 centuries
Harry Jupp 12905 @ 24.91. 11 centuries
Richard Daft 8210 @ 28.50. 7 centuries
England Bowlers
William Lillywhite 1576 wickets @ 10.35. Wpm 6.6
James Southerton 1527 @ 14.36. Wpm 6.2
William Hillyer 1482 @ 10.91. Wpm 6.4
(Bowling averages taken from innings where runs conceded were recorded.)
Australia Batsmen (to 1877)
Ned Gregory 446 runs @ 20.27
Nat Thomson 431 @ 12.31
Thomas Kelly 377 @ 20.94
Australia Bowlers
Sam Cosstick 106 wickets @ 9.41. Wpm 5.9
Thomas Wills 102 @ 8.98. Wpm 6.0
Joseph Coates 55 @ 10.67. Wpm 5.5
West Indies Batsmen (to 1928)
George Challenor 2070 runs @ 47.04. 8 centuries
Tim Tarilton 2052 @ 50.04. 6 centuries
Harold Austin 1718 @ 33.68. 1 century
West Indies Bowlers
Sydney Smith 200 wickets @ 13.85. Wpm 5.4
CR "Snuffy" Browne 171 @ 20.14. Wpm 4.9
Clifford Goodman 126 @ 10.70. Wpm 8.4
New Zealand Batsmen (to 1930)
Syd Hiddleston 3814 runs @ 39.72. 8 centuries
Roger Blunt 3538 @ 38.87. 9 centuries
Lance Hemus 2792 @ 38.24. 8 centuries
New Zealand Bowlers
Alec Downes 305 wickets @ 14.20. Wpm 6.2
Ernest Upham 261 @ 15.95. Wpm 5.6
Stan Brice 247 @ 21.29. Wpm 4.0
Continuing the above for India, Pakistan and Ceylon/Sri Lanka.
India Batsmen (to 1932)
CK Nayudu 3035 runs @ 41.01. 7 centuries
Palwankar Vithal 2263 @ 26.62. 5 centuries
Wazir Ali 2055 @ 40.29. 8 centuries
India Bowlers
Abdus Salaam 150 wickets @ 18.14. Wpm 4.5
SM Joshi 144 @ 19.74. Wpm 4.2
Jehangir Warden 139 @ 12.13. Wpm 5.1
Pakistan Batsmen (to 1952)
Imtiaz Ahmed 1007 runs @ 59.23. 2 centuries
Nazar Mohammad 779 @ 48.68. 2 centuries
Maqsood Ahmed 547 @ 39.07. 2 centuries
Pakistan Bowlers
Khan Mohammad 43 wickets @ 22.62. Wpm 4.3
Fazal Mahmood 42 @ 16.88. Wpm 4.2
Shujauddin Butt 36 @ 19.22. Wpm 5.1
Ceylon/Sri Lanka Batsmen (to 1982)
Anura Tennekon 1772 runs @ 45.43. 4 centuries
Duleep Mendis 930 @ 23.84. 1 century
David Heyn 805 @ 24.39.
Ceylon/Sri Lanka Bowlers
Ajit de Silva 54 wickets @ 21.75. Wpm 3.9
Somachandra de Silva 47 @ 25.87. Wpm 3.1
Mevan Pieris 42 @ 19.28. Wpm 3.8
India Batsmen (to 1932)
CK Nayudu 3035 runs @ 41.01. 7 centuries
Palwankar Vithal 2263 @ 26.62. 5 centuries
Wazir Ali 2055 @ 40.29. 8 centuries
India Bowlers
Abdus Salaam 150 wickets @ 18.14. Wpm 4.5
SM Joshi 144 @ 19.74. Wpm 4.2
Jehangir Warden 139 @ 12.13. Wpm 5.1
Pakistan Batsmen (to 1952)
Imtiaz Ahmed 1007 runs @ 59.23. 2 centuries
Nazar Mohammad 779 @ 48.68. 2 centuries
Maqsood Ahmed 547 @ 39.07. 2 centuries
Pakistan Bowlers
Khan Mohammad 43 wickets @ 22.62. Wpm 4.3
Fazal Mahmood 42 @ 16.88. Wpm 4.2
Shujauddin Butt 36 @ 19.22. Wpm 5.1
Ceylon/Sri Lanka Batsmen (to 1982)
Anura Tennekon 1772 runs @ 45.43. 4 centuries
Duleep Mendis 930 @ 23.84. 1 century
David Heyn 805 @ 24.39.
Ceylon/Sri Lanka Bowlers
Ajit de Silva 54 wickets @ 21.75. Wpm 3.9
Somachandra de Silva 47 @ 25.87. Wpm 3.1
Mevan Pieris 42 @ 19.28. Wpm 3.8
Last edited:
According to current records South Africa's first Test was also the initial first-class match in the country. It is probably more relevant to list the leading run-scorers and wicket-takers during the period of isolation between March 1970 and April 1992. Again only first-class matches in South Africa count.
South Africa Batsmen (March 1970 to April 1992)
Graeme Pollock 11706 runs @ 56.00. 35 centuries
Jimmy Cook 11342 @ 41.39. 27 centuries
Peter Kirsten 11046 @ 42.16. 28 centuries
South Africa Bowlers
Vintcent van der Bijl 631 wickets @ 16.53. Wpm 5.2
Garth le Roux 445 @ 19.54. Wpm 4.4
Alan Kourie 421 @ 23.44. Wpm 3.3
South Africa Batsmen (March 1970 to April 1992)
Graeme Pollock 11706 runs @ 56.00. 35 centuries
Jimmy Cook 11342 @ 41.39. 27 centuries
Peter Kirsten 11046 @ 42.16. 28 centuries
South Africa Bowlers
Vintcent van der Bijl 631 wickets @ 16.53. Wpm 5.2
Garth le Roux 445 @ 19.54. Wpm 4.4
Alan Kourie 421 @ 23.44. Wpm 3.3
capt_Luffy
International Coach
He was Abdus as you say. Bowled medium pace with the keeper standing up. Could get a bit of lift in the right conditions. Liked long spells. Scored a couple of first-class hundreds, and was a decent slip catcher.
Played in India from at least 1917 until early 1932 when he was overlooked for India's inaugural tour of England, following a trial match at Patiala in which he took four wickets in the first innings. Travelled to England that year anyway and stayed. Played for the London Gymkhana club until 1940.
Took all ten wickets for 33 runs for Indian XI v Punjab XI at Rawalpindi in 1919. It wasn't designated a first-class match. Captained the Muslims on occasions in Indian domestic competition.
Burgey
Request Your Custom Title Now!
Do NZ play tests?
ataraxia
International Coach
Yes in fact NZ bet India 3–0 in India right before Australia only managed to beat them 3–1 in Australia. It really underlines how embarassing India's hard-to-believe upset victory was for Aus.Do NZ play tests?
Fuller Pilch
Hall of Fame Member
Inaugural WTC champions.Do NZ play tests?
Only team to whitewash India in India.
One of only 2 teams to ever win a test by 1 run.
centurymaker
Cricketer Of The Year
South Africa have also whitewashed India in India.
West Indies have won 3-0 in India twice but over a longer series.
Last edited:
Coronis
International Coach
They did pretty good last year. Involved in 4 whitewashes.
Whitewashed South Africa in New Zealand
Whitewashed by Australia in New Zealand
Whitewashed by Sri Lanka in Sri Lanka
Whitewashed India in India
mr_mister
Cricket Web: All-Time Legend
What an interesting post! Lol at how Australian domestic had produced 2 bowlers who hit 100 wickets, but not a single batsman to hit 500 runs. Really was a bowlers game back then! Unless you were WG Grace
Coronis
International Coach
Yeah that’s why he was so revolutionary, the first great dominant bat.
It was remarkable how little cricket had been played in Australia to this point. Travel was not easy. Most of the matches with English touring sides were against odds (not 11 a-side).
It took another twenty years for Australian batting to develop fully, but the Aussies largely made up the gap with innovative bowling and superior wicket-keeping and fielding.