Muttiah Muralitharan vs Dennis Lillee

[subshakerz]

Sorry but marking a player down because they didn't play somewhere is ridulous. Does that mean Bradman was an over rated hack because he didn't play in New Zealand, West Indies, India, Pakistan, Sri Lanka or South Africa?

Bradman averaging 99 makes him the exception to everything.

But a modern era player is expected to prove themselves in a variety of conditions and SC is acknowledged as a challenge for the top pacers to conquer.

Why wouldn't I rate those with SC success over those with none, all else equal?

 

[Qlder]

But a modern era player is expected to prove themselves in a variety of conditions and SC is acknowledged as a challenge for the top pacers to conquer.

Why wouldn't I rate those with SC success over those with none, all else equal?

Lillee was primarily a 1970's bowler with 2 years lost to WSC. Please enlighten me as to what other pace bowler covered all countries with a large sample size of tests in the 1970's?

Your basically saying you don't rate any pace bowler pre-1980

 

[DrWolverine]

Bradman played 52 out of 52 tests in Australia and England. I guess that makes him even more unproven than Lillee

Bradman averaged 99.94 and the second best was around 60.

If Lillee averaged 10 with the ball and the likes of Marshall/Hadlee averaged 20, no one would have questioned Lillee.

 

[Qlder]

Bradman averaged 99.94 and the second best was around 60.

If Lillee averaged 10 with the ball and the likes of Marshall/Hadlee averaged 20, no one would have questioned Lillee.

Unrealistic expectations but this sums up the player comparison forum logic and why I should have stayed away from it

 

[DrWolverine]

The subcontinent is widely accepted as the best challenge for a fast bowler. Why would I accept Lillee who was unproven in Asian pitches as a greater bowler than the likes of Marshall, Hadlee, Holding, Donald and Steyn who have proved themselves in more countries?

 

[subshakerz]

Lillee was primarily a 1970's bowler with 2 years lost to WSC. Please enlighten me as to what other pace bowler covered all countries with a large sample size of tests in the 1970's?

Your basically saying you don't rate any pace bowler pre-1980

It's quite simple. Lillee is in my top 10 pacers. He is an ATG and best of his 70s era. But I am going to rate pacers who are similarly highly rated but who demonstrated success across more conditions.

 

[DrWolverine]

Is Lillee an all time great? Yes
No one is disputing that.
But can’t rate him ahead of proven greats

 

[Coronis]

The subcontinent is widely accepted as the best challenge for a fast bowler. Why would I accept Lillee who was unproven in Asian pitches as a greater bowler than the likes of Marshall, Hadlee, Holding, Donald and Steyn who have proved themselves in more countries?

Davidson confirmed GOAT. Closely followed by Walsh.

 

[Prince EWS]

Is Lillee an all time great? Yes
No one is disputing that.
But can’t rate him ahead of proven greats

Ahem.

 

[Coronis]

Ahem.

If Lillee is an ATG, so is Hoggard. I can deal with that.

 

[Prince EWS]

If Lillee is an ATG, so is Hoggard. I can deal with that.

What about Siddle?

 

[Coronis]

What about Siddle?

Maybe a liddle.

 

[Prince EWS]

Maybe a liddle.

Joel Garner for his batting, Jacob Liddle for his bowling.