Most Overrated Player?

[Mr Mxyzptlk]

Definitely Mark Butcher. One good score in god-knows-how-long and the only reason he gets in the team is he's Alec Stewart's cousin and plays for Surrey.

Give David Fulton a chance!

 

[Mr Mxyzptlk]

Definitely Mark Butcher. One good score in god-knows-how-long and the only reason he gets in the team is he's Alec Stewart's cousin and plays for Surrey.

Give David Fulton a chance!

Butcher 105 - match saving innings for England.

 

[Neil Pickup]

Hardly... he played a stupid shot in the first innings to leave us in trouble at 40something for 2 and then ran himself out in the second.

And anyway, the rest of our top order also played very solidly in the second innings.

 

[Mr Mxyzptlk]

Adam Gilchrist is the luckiest player alive!!!! He is way overated. He gets dropped at least once (usually twice or thrice) every innings. Anyone with that kind of luck would average sixty.

To his credit, however, he goes hard and the the ball takes some brilliant catching off the bat.

 

[James]

Welcome Mr Mxyzptlk - good to have another forum member around

 

[Rich2001]

yeah but the point is he isn't caught and makes the oppostion pay for their mistakes. and he scores so quickly that if his dropped on 5 then 20 balls later he will be on 30 odd, whereas an England player for example was dropped on 5 20 balls later they be on about 10.

 

[Mr Mxyzptlk]

True, True. But in reality with all things considered he should be averaging at least 20 pts less. Overall the Aussies are a very lucky team. Catches just never seem to be taken against them. To their credit, though, they always make the opposition pay.

 

[lord_of_darkness]

yea welcome and dont stop posting :P

unless ur in some kind of problem :P:P

 

[Top_Cat]

True, True. But in reality with all things considered he should be averaging at least 20 pts less. Overall the Aussies are a very lucky team. Catches just never seem to be taken against them. To their credit, though, they always make the opposition pay.

You ever heard the phrase that you make your own luck?

Adam Gilchrist lucky? Possibly but every innings? There's not a batsman who has played the game who hasn't needed some form of luck. Adam Gilchrist plays a very attacking game so two things come as no surprise:

1) He offers more chances than others.
2) Those chances are difficult to take.

Hardly his fault. Also I notice that in 44 innings at Test level, Adam Gilchrist has only had 8 not outs, not many for a number 7 who can more than hold a bat. The fact he averages 60 without many not outs unlike *cough* Steve Waugh *cough* says a lot about him. And to still have such a high average with a Test strike rate like his (around 80!!!!) suggests that for all the risks he takes, he still a very good player, notwithstanding his mental toughness.

Another who used to have a lot of catches dropped off him was Michael Slater, one of the most attacking Test batsmen of all time.

Co-incidence in light of the above? I think not.

 

[lord_of_darkness]

do you knw what was the average catches dropped ??

he has to be hitting it really hard if hes been dropped almost each game ?

 

[FrontierPsychiartrist]

Adam Gilchrist makes the opposition play for his mistakes.

Interestingly, early in his career, when he played for New South Wales, so he moved to W.A, and became a champion because of it

 

[marc71178]

What about Alex Tudor? He's had the expierience.

Over-rated - he concedes far too many runs to be a good bowler IMO.

I think (and hope) Jones will have a go, as Cork is doubtful.

 

[Anon2]

True, but I'd still play him instead.

 

[Neil Pickup]

As Marc said :I :cheesy:

Martin Bicknell's a better bowler and batsman than Tudor - he's not even the best quick at Surrey!

[Edited on 5/23/02 by Neil Pickup]

 

[Mr Mxyzptlk]

I agree that Martin Bicknell is a fine bowler and very useful batsman. Tudor, however, is younger and brighter for the future because he has a long cricket career ahead of him and he will no doubt improve. He should, however, not play Test cricket until he has improved to the standard of Tests.

 

[lord_of_darkness]

yup AlexT is surely a good prospect for England im sure he will learn as he grows

 

[FrontierPsychiartrist]

BICKNELL, BICKNELL, BICKNELL!

 

[lord_of_darkness]

lol hes alrite

 

[marc71178]

Bicknell and Tudor are 2 different types of bowler - Tudor relies on pace, whereas Bicknell is more of a Fraser-like figure.

I'm led to understand that Tudor's frequent "injuries" have counted against him in Hussain's eyes.

 

[Mr Mxyzptlk]

true true