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Make Room Fab Four - Now it's the ***y Seven

honestbharani

honestbharani

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Flem274* said:
he was very nearly dismissed in identical fashion to the video above. he is more or less the same player, and a very successful one in most situations but he isn't going to score runs in nz/england/south africa popping the bat out so wide.
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You seem to define struggling against swing very differently to me. For my money, when a player gets out playing an ill advised shot, but is otherwise able to defend well against certain type of bowling, its his attitude, shot selection and brains that are in question, not his ability to play said type of bowling. If Pant was defending and still getting out, it is a different story.
 
nightprowler10

nightprowler10

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Fuller Pilch said:
I know Pant hits the ball hard and is very exciting to watch, but I reckon Rizwan is as good a batsman and a much better keeper.
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Rizwan looks like a great keeper until he drops a sitter. I still haven't forgiven him for the Nicholls drop.

Still, easily my fav player right now, I can see him be the rock of our batting lineup for years.
 
Daemon

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hendrix said:
The point is that "can't play the moving ball" is such a bad reactionary response to a good start to an aggressive batsman's career. It's lazy at best, and at worst it smacks of the Sir Ravi Jadeja classism.
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Nah. He's played 8 tests in England, NZ and WI where the ball's generally talked and he's been no good. Could be a bit lenient on WI games since he got starts and had to bat for declaration in one of the innings.

Points in his favour are that those games were when he was very young and he's shown he can improve, but right now it's very fair to point out that he's weak against swing, and certainly weaker than anyone else in discussion for this thread except maybe Kohli who should be whipped for his limpdick shot in the second innings of the WTC final.
 
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SteveNZ

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hendrix said:
My impression of Conway, his ceiling is a Michael Clarke type player who generally plays his shots but has some weaknesses. That's still excellent and I'll be please if he develops to that general peak.

Labuschagne looks better to me from the eye test.
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His weaknesses now are what, inability to keep it down off his hip? Can't think of too many others.

Marnus is a gun but so is Conway. Technically rock solid and has an insatiable appetite for batting. Could very easily be a 45 average plus gut for us as an opener. And could probably be 50+ plus if he's ever able to bat in his preferred spots a little lower
 
Salamuddin

Salamuddin

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SteveNZ said:
His weaknesses now are what, inability to keep it down off his hip? Can't think of too many others.

Marnus is a gun but so is Conway. Technically rock solid and has an insatiable appetite for batting. Could very easily be a 45 average plus gut for us as an opener. And could probably be 50+ plus if he's ever able to bat in his preferred spots a little lower
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Unlikely. Conway doesn't even average 50+ in first class cricket.

He strikes me as being a solid player who's come into international cricket at the peak of his abilities so he looks a million dollars a bit like Jonathan Trott . Most batsmen peak between 28-32 and he's bang in the middle of that. It will get harder as teams start to learn about him and as he gets older.
Mike Hussey did came into international cricket at 30 and ended up averaging 50+ but Hussey had a better first class record than Conway playing in a stronger first class system and also looked a better all round player - Conway doesn't look as assured against spin as Hussey did.

I think Conway'll end up averaging somewhere in the 43-45 range.
 
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SteveNZ

International Coach
Salamuddin said:
Unlikely. Conway doesn't even average 50+ in first class cricket.

He strikes me as being a solid player who's come into international cricket at the peak of his abilities so he looks a million dollars a bit like Jonathan Trott . Most batsmen peak between 28-32 and he's bang in the middle of that. It will get harder as teams start to learn about him and as he gets older.
Mike Hussey did came into international cricket at 30 and ended up averaging 50+ but Hussey had a better first class record than Conway playing in a stronger first class system and also looked a better all round player - Conway doesn't look as assured against spin as Hussey did.

I think Conway'll end up averaging somewhere in the 43-45 range.
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Yeah, unfortunately you've not based on that off particularly relevant statistics.

Someone will know how to track it down, but I would imagine his FC average for Wellington/NZ etc since he moved here would be well in excess of 50
 
Shady Slim

Shady Slim

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reckon conway would be a better batsman if he wasn't named after such an awful cured meat

if he was named Prosciutto Conway he'd average more than 100
 
Nintendo

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Salamuddin said:
Unlikely. Conway doesn't even average 50+ in first class cricket.

He strikes me as being a solid player who's come into international cricket at the peak of his abilities so he looks a million dollars a bit like Jonathan Trott . Most batsmen peak between 28-32 and he's bang in the middle of that. It will get harder as teams start to learn about him and as he gets older.
Mike Hussey did came into international cricket at 30 and ended up averaging 50+ but Hussey had a better first class record than Conway playing in a stronger first class system and also looked a better all round player - Conway doesn't look as assured against spin as Hussey did.

I think Conway'll end up averaging somewhere in the 43-45 range.
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Tbf, if Conway averages 45 opening over a 60 test career for NZ he'de be right up there and the best opener of this era. Done more than any other opener in the current era, playing in the hardest conditions an opener can face against Jimmy and broad.
 
Flem274*

Flem274*

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Salamuddin said:
Unlikely. Conway doesn't even average 50+ in first class cricket.

He strikes me as being a solid player who's come into international cricket at the peak of his abilities so he looks a million dollars a bit like Jonathan Trott . Most batsmen peak between 28-32 and he's bang in the middle of that. It will get harder as teams start to learn about him and as he gets older.
Mike Hussey did came into international cricket at 30 and ended up averaging 50+ but Hussey had a better first class record than Conway playing in a stronger first class system and also looked a better all round player - Conway doesn't look as assured against spin as Hussey did.

I think Conway'll end up averaging somewhere in the 43-45 range.
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He's more dominant in the Plunket Shield than KW, and in a stronger Plunket Shield era.

His record is brought down by failing as a 20-25 year old in SA, and back then nzfan mentioned in passing he had severe technical limitations.

His first season or so in NZ was a bit meh from memory, but since then has gotten better and better despite conditions being very bowler friendly in the past 2 seasons.

I don't think he will average 50 opening because he plays home games in NZ and Gavaskar is the only modern opener to do so, but averaging 45 makes you an atg opener imo. Cook averaged 45.

Conway is a seriously good player now, though if bowling to him I would target his hip.
 
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