Lara Disappionted over pontings comment

[Scallywag]

He's played more captain's knocks than I can think of. He's backed his players too.

Thats where it all started Neil, I stated that Lara didnt back his players when he gave up the game to go for the record before the bowlers had bowled a ball and Ponting would never do that and thats why Ponting made the comments he made.

You think its OK so lets leave it there,

 

[Neil Pickup]

Did I mention that I agreed with Ponting's comment?

 

[marc71178]

He's played more captain's knocks than I can think of.

In tests, he has yet to play one - his average is 33 thus far (against 54.71 beforehand)

In ODI's, he has played one innings so far where he gets to a ton and none of his team-mates get past 50 - but I guess it depends on definition of a captains knock.

 

[luckyeddie]

In tests, he has yet to play one - his average is 33 thus far (against 54.71 beforehand)

In ODI's, he has played one innings so far where he gets to a ton and none of his team-mates get past 50 - but I guess it depends on definition of a captains knock.

Oh, marc. You're not saying he's another cho... I mean Sachin, are you?

 

[KANYE WEST]

yea yeah

yes blood is thicker than water it was high time for a black person to break a record not the law lol WELL DONE MR LARA...FROM THE ZIMBABWEAN CRICKET TEAM

I am truly sorry. There are times when I really ought to keep my anti-Lara bias in check but, you know, we Australians are like that. We stick together. Blood is thicker than water, and I instinctively stepped in to protect one of our own. It's a tribal thing, really, but we are all related. Every Aussie has an Auntie Sheila.

 

[Scallywag]

"Originally Posted by Scallywag
He's played more captain's knocks than I can think of."


Wrong marc71178, It was Neil that made that statement and he was refering to Lara not Ponting.

I think I'm getting the idea now having just started posting here. If a poster has cricket web staff member under his handle does that mean he not very bright.
This is the first thread I have posted under and allready cricket web staff members have hurled abuse at me, tried to tell me that Symonds was not selected for the world cup, attributed thier own remarks to me and claimed its about another player.
I think if you want posters to behave dont you think that you should lead by example.

 

[PY]

Great way to annoy the people who write for the website.

PS Just because people are staff members doesn't mean they aren't infallible but it does mean they do know at least something about cricket.

 

[Scallywag]

"PS Just because people are staff members doesn't mean they aren't infallible but it does mean they do know at least something about cricket."


Sorry mate but they have yet to display that.

 

[THE G-TRAIN]

Im new to this place so dont hold it against me like someone tried to do to Scallywag earlier! This debate has gone off track so many times i think its done a full circle and is back to where it all began. Personally, i think that it is a great man who fully has the respect of all of his whole team, of not only the players, but also people in positions higher than his. Ponting has upmost respect and faith in the whole team, and visa versa. This is not an easy trait to acquire, and is a trait that Lara seems to not possess. I may be wrong. There are many abilities and traits which make a great captain, but some of you dont seem to realise that. Scallywag has brought up a few things, but the rest of you just seem to want staistical proof of his ability, which can only be measured to a certain extent. When someone talks about his one day captaincy, you guys want proof of his test captaincy ability, which you know cant be proven yet. I dont get it. I believe he HAS proven himself at one-day level, and was faultless in his 3 tests against a very strong yet unpredictable sri lankan outfit on home soil. Ponting hasnt really had the chance to prove himself as a great captain yet, but give him a while, and this forum will be unanimous. Lara is a great batsman, but captain? hmmm SShow me some of his tactical brilliance or impeccable stats. Scallywag, im with you.

 

[Scallywag]

Thanks for some sanity G-Train, Ponting has captained 67 ODIs for Australia for 53 wins and get this he has captained more ODIs than Lara. To say Ponting has been in the job for two minutes knowing he has captained Australia in more ODIs than Mark Taylor, Hussian for England, and Lara for Windies defies logic.

 

[Scallywag]

Furthermore if you do go on statistics alone Ponting is the greatest captain to ever Lead a nation in One Day Cricket. ( qualification 25 games )

 

[krkode]

Furthermore if you do go on statistics alone Ponting is the greatest captain to ever Lead a nation in One Day Cricket. ( qualification 25 games )

That's not true. Ponting isn't as good as I am. I have captained 144 games so far and my team has won 139 of those games.

Darned 5-0 Bangladeshi whitewash!

 

[THE G-TRAIN]

I dont think it would be fair to ponting to be compared to u, kr. The statistics speak for themselves. You are undoubtedly the greatest captain in history.

 

[luckyeddie]

"Originally Posted by Scallywag
He's played more captain's knocks than I can think of."


Wrong marc71178, It was Neil that made that statement and he was refering to Lara not Ponting.

I think I'm getting the idea now having just started posting here. If a poster has cricket web staff member under his handle does that mean he not very bright.
This is the first thread I have posted under and allready cricket web staff members have hurled abuse at me, tried to tell me that Symonds was not selected for the world cup, attributed thier own remarks to me and claimed its about another player.
I think if you want posters to behave dont you think that you should lead by example.

For the benefit of Scallywag only.....

Most of the problems here are down to the simple problem that you perhaps do not know how to use the 'quote' feature when replying to other people's messages. Consequently, people are unaware that you are quoting another member and equally consequently may be replying to something they only THINK you said.

Cricket Web staff members are not all bullies - and certainly not all the time. I distinctly remember there was this one member who I was nice to - oh, no. That was the wife. (Neil is a bully, though. I should watch out for him, especially if you plan to say anything nice about Torquay or Scumthorpe).

Easy guide to replying to posts...

1. Click 'quote' on the message you are replying to. This will have the effect of sandwiching the message between html 'quote' tags which the software for this site will then detect and make things a whole lot clearer.
2. Cut or 'snip' bits out of the quote to just bring it down to the points you are answering - it makes things a little clearer.
3. Add your reply to the message after the delimiting 'quote' tag.

If you just want to reply without quoting (say the post is a survey or you are just changing the subject like I do a lot.... oh, look, a squirrel), then click the box with 'QR' (quick reply).

 

[Linda]

Ponting might be the best thing since barbecued prawns, he's a quite superb batsman and he has made significant contributions as an inspirational player, but as far as proving time and time again that he is a better captain than Lara, give me an example, please.

Ok, I'm going to give a couple of examples myself. Not so much about how Ponting is better than Lara, but at least as a bit of backup to Scallywag.

In the World Cup (Im using that because I can remember those specific games well, wheras other ODIs are a bit more vague in my mind), the second game was against India and it was built up as a tough game for the Aussies. Ponting went with his instincts and asked Lee to open the bowling instead of Gillespie. It worked, and Lee got Sehwag and Ganguly, both for under 10, and Gillespie bowled his overs straight first change, and got 3/13!

Another example would have to be in the final, in which rain looked like it could undo all the hard work the Aussie batsman had done to get to 359. At first, Ponting tried to race through the overs with spinners to get too 25 overs, so as to constitute a match. He then realised the extra runs he was giving away could cost them the game through D/L, and so he brought back on his quicks to get some wickets. He had to choose between getting to 25 overs quickly, and giving away some runs, and keeping down the Indians scoring rate by getting wickets but being slow with the chance of rain.
The effect of that is not so great however, as in the end the entire game was played.

 

[luckyeddie]

Totally agree with those points, Linda, as fine examples of captaincy. My mind goes back to the day of my 50th birthday at Potchefstroom too, when rain threatened for a while.

This was the game....

20 February, Australia v Netherlands, Potchefstroom

Jeroen Smits (Netherlands)
Ian Harvey's gentle away swinger draws Jeroen Smits into the shot. Jimmy Maher waits. A little late, a little edge, a little innings which lasted just 2 balls.
DD rating 4 lilypads

Jacob-Jan Esmeijer (Netherlands)
Another lovely away swinger. Jacob Esmeijer eyes the vacant cover area, but alas the ball flies straight to Ricky Ponting at slip. Just the 4 balls faced.
DD rating 3 lilypads

Breadcrumb moment - the Australian balcony

Modern technology to the rescue again - this time we take you right into the Australian camp. To be precise, to the Australian balcony where Brett Lee is showing off his prowess on the acoustic guitar to the other non-playing members of the squad.

<Adam Gilchrist> G'day, guys. Anyone fancy a beer?
<Brad Hogg> Nah, mate. I'm cutting down - I'm only having a dozen now because I'm going out with Fruitfly and a few of his mates tonight.
<Adam> We'll see you next Thursday, then, mate.
<Brett> Yeah, cheers, Churchy. I could do with a bit of inspiration.
<Adam> Why's that, then, mate?
<Brad> (shouts) Bowled, Dizzy - great ball!
<Brett> I'm working on a few new numbers for the next 'Six & Out' gig.
<Adam> What yer come up with?
<Brett> (sings) "I know this guy, his name is Warney. Took Grandads pills - they made him horny"
<Brad> Like it. Very topical...
<Brett> Is it? Yeah, got a few other bits I'm stuck on too. What rhymes with Thunder?
<Adam> Down Under
<Brett> Cheers, sport.
<Brad> Chunder
<Brett> Yeah, that's the one. Hey, look at that. McGrath's just bowled a wide (shouts) Yer poufdah, Pigeon.. ah spit. I've just snapped my G string...
<Adam> Fielding's not up to much, is it?
<Brad> Nah. Just been talking to Benaud about it. He reckons we're in the best place today
<Brett> You're joking. It's at least 30 yards to the bar.
<Brad> This'll be a laugh. They're bringing Roy on.
(Andy Symonds plays his part by bowling a mixture of wides, full tosses and unplayable deliveries)
<Adam> Christ, look at that. He just got through an over in 87 seconds. Never seen him move so fast.
<Brad> (shouts) Bar's closing in a bit, Symmo.
<Adam> He obviously thinks you're serious. His next over took 65 seconds
<Brad> I am serious.
<Adam> Gotta go, mate. Just realised I've forgot to, er, do the webbing on me gauntlets
<Brett> Yeah, me too sport. Just realised I've got to, er, um, practice me er, um musical things
<Adam> Chords?
<Brett> Nah, mate. Flannels, but they're really hard-wearing.


The relevant bit was overs being bowled in less than 2 minutes, but it gave me another chance to remind people that I truly was a comic genius - at least for a while.

 

[Deja moo]

In the World Cup (Im using that because I can remember those specific games well, wheras other ODIs are a bit more vague in my mind), the second game was against India and it was built up as a tough game for the Aussies. Ponting went with his instincts and asked Lee to open the bowling instead of Gillespie. It worked, and Lee got Sehwag and Ganguly, both for under 10, and Gillespie bowled his overs straight first change, and got 3/13!

I dont think that was the reason for their good performance.

in that match, the Indians Batted like perfect $%$$%&s and gave away their wickets playing stupid shots.

Whatever the bowling order, the Indians would've got out soon in that match.
Remember the protests by Indian fans outside the players houses after the game? It wasnt coz they had lost, it was coz they had lost playing without brains.

Another example would have to be in the final, in which rain looked like it could undo all the hard work the Aussie batsman had done to get to 359. At first, Ponting tried to race through the overs with spinners to get too 25 overs, so as to constitute a match. He then realised the extra runs he was giving away could cost them the game through D/L, and so he brought back on his quicks to get some wickets. He had to choose between getting to 25 overs quickly, and giving away some runs, and keeping down the Indians scoring rate by getting wickets but being slow with the chance of rain.

I dont think that is an example of great captaincy. Any captain would have done the same if his spinners were taking a pounding.

 

[Gaijin-san]

I'm with you Scallywag, mate. You got some good points there and your sentiments about some of the staff thinking their sh*t don't stink (no names mentioned) has merit too.

Reminds me of a young me (i.e last year).

You want something to prove Ponting is better? The evidence is in the pudding, my friends. He leads the Australian team, who are (word for word quote me if I'm arrogant non-Aussies) the greatest team in the world. Insert someone who says that he has an extraordinarily talented team in 3, 2, 1...

Yes, they are a talented team, which incidentally one needs to be able to win. But talent will not win you games alone. That argument about the talented team being better than it's captain is a load of CANINE FAECAL MATTER because it changes as often as it suits it's user. When the captain is doing well he's got a brilliant team. But then later on you break the team down and APPARENTLY, they're not so great after all. Yes I've had gutful of 'Gilly can't keep and his batting is overrated', 'Hayden is a flat-track bully', 'Lee can't bowl' blah blah blah bling freaking blah...

What happens to a talented team when their captain sends them to die? As in, what happens when he is no good and makes no good decisions? They'll lose. Because they're doing the wrong thing. And when they're winning? Someone has to take credit.

It's in the pudding.

 

[Linda]

in that match, the Indians Batted like perfect $%$$%&s and gave away their wickets playing stupid shots..

Of course, it was all the Indians. Clearly, the bowling was just mediocre, and they got lucky.

I dont think that is an example of great captaincy. Any captain would have done the same if his spinners were taking a pounding.

Even if it might cost them the World Cup? Ponting took a huge risk, and by believing in his fast bowlers to stop the Indians scoring and get them out, he may have saved the Aussies the game if it had rained.
I dont think any ol captain couldve done that.

And Ged? Amen.

 

[luckyeddie]

I'm with you Scallywag, mate. You got some good points there and your sentiments about some of the staff thinking their sh*t don't stink (no names mentioned) has merit too.

Reminds me of a young me (i.e last year).

A YOUNG YOU?

Last year, you were an immature 16 year-old who came really close to being banned on more than one occasion - not because of the staff ganging up on you but because your own attitude as an arrogant toerag.

Things have changed, though. You are now 17.