Migara
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The important point is Border played against minnow SL team many times. But has no doubles to show.
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Kumar Sangakkara vs Allan Border
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Coronis
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tbh it was more in reaction to TJB’s “one of the most overrated players” comment. I don’t necessarily think anyone is a seven run batsman better than Border but yeah I don’t generally see anyone here ever rating him any higher than that region 10-15 so I guess its more the phrasing bothering me.
a massive zebra
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Clearly Bradman is much more than a seven runs better batsman than Border.
ataraxia
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I get that it's only three doubles vs Bangladesh but it kinda proves the point. Two not out doubles at home vs Bangladesh (nothing ever happens at home vs Bangladesh after all...) and another triple in a drawn match.
That said, Sanga's still very good.
Coronis
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Obviously as always Bradman is the exception that proves the rule.
CricAddict
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Looks like he would have been rated higher here if he had got 3 ducks instead of 3 doubles in those innings against Bangers.
ataraxia
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No, he wouldn't. If that happened he'd have averaged 53.5.
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Result of the poll shows how overrated he is, even on here
Prince EWS
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Result of the poll shows how overrated your face is, even on here
anil1405
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Yeah averaging 7 runs more than border is overrated. He is 5 runs better than Border on average as the poll suggests.
OverratedSanity
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Appropriately inflated by asian poster votes ? ???
CricAddict
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Or we should just remove votes done by members with less than 1000 posts.
Flem274*
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why are we focusing on 3 innings of Sangakkara's 233 test match innings? 3 of his 38 test hundreds?
it's not like these were knock out games or something either. 3 innings and 3 hundreds do not make a test average of 57 over 233 innings.
global pitch homegenization during his era inflated the average a bit but let's be real he has pretty generous room for that average to come down before he can be anything other than a top tier ATG batsman, and the same pitch homogeneity he benefitted from also kept his rivals averages propped up. Ponting might have his era to thank for keeping his average above 50 after he soldiered on for the good of the team for so long despite clearly being just a 'test standard but no more' player by the end (this is not a slight at Ponting's ATG status before anyone sooks at me).
Sangakkara's average benefits more from retiring when he still had more talent to give as well. Most greats cling on, determined to prove a point one last time I guess, but eventually need to be shoulder tapped for their own good. One day Sangakkara woke up and said nah cbf and fair enough.
I voted for Border but focusing on 3 innings from Sanga's career because they were against a minnow isn't an argument. As someone who's team recently lost to a (in our conditions) minnow, someone needs to put them away or it's all a bit embarrassing. Minnow bashing is only a crime if it's the only thing a player does.
it's not like these were knock out games or something either. 3 innings and 3 hundreds do not make a test average of 57 over 233 innings.
global pitch homegenization during his era inflated the average a bit but let's be real he has pretty generous room for that average to come down before he can be anything other than a top tier ATG batsman, and the same pitch homogeneity he benefitted from also kept his rivals averages propped up. Ponting might have his era to thank for keeping his average above 50 after he soldiered on for the good of the team for so long despite clearly being just a 'test standard but no more' player by the end (this is not a slight at Ponting's ATG status before anyone sooks at me).
Sangakkara's average benefits more from retiring when he still had more talent to give as well. Most greats cling on, determined to prove a point one last time I guess, but eventually need to be shoulder tapped for their own good. One day Sangakkara woke up and said nah cbf and fair enough.
I voted for Border but focusing on 3 innings from Sanga's career because they were against a minnow isn't an argument. As someone who's team recently lost to a (in our conditions) minnow, someone needs to put them away or it's all a bit embarrassing. Minnow bashing is only a crime if it's the only thing a player does.
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He'd be rated exactly the same by me but he'd be rated marginally lower than he is now by people who only look at his overall average. That's what's funny here.
Coronis
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I know how tongue in cheek this post is, really I do, but just for me as a proud Aussie I’d like to say that I definitely have no problem rating 4-5, (maybe even 6 on some days) Asian batsman above Border.
Migara
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Asians are the cricketing majority. Haters can suck it.
(just think that Sri Lanka has the same population as Australia. Don't even think about Pakistan, Bangladesh and India!)
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He played against SL seven times. Less than half the tests Sanga played vs Bangladesh.
That said, Sanga is one of my favourite players. I rate him up there with Tendulkar & De Silva as blokes from the SC who didn't crap themselves when it bounced above waist height. Dravid too.