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[marc71178]

You're not going to slow the run-rate by taking wickets

Oh no, so do explain how Zimbabwe were well in control of that match on Saturday until the 4th wicket fell, and suddenly runs dried up for an over or 2?

 

[Tom Halsey]

You're not going to slow the run-rate by taking wickets.

Are you having a joke? Of course you slow the run rate by taking wickets.

 

[Richard]

Zimbabwe slowed the run-rate by bowling well.
And they were never, ever in the driving-seat when batting.
Wickets don't stop strokeplayers playing strokes - most are incapable of changing their style of play. Similarly, batsmen who don't look to score so fast are changed not by wickets but by stage of the innings.
Getting positive batsmen out is good, but it won't slow the rate unless you get them all out. But it will lower the likely total.

 

[marc71178]

Zimbabwe slowed the run-rate by bowling well.

Relevance to when they were batting?

Before the wicket they were scoring 7, 8, 8, 11 or so.

After the wicket, the next over went for just 4 - so explain that away?

And they were never, ever in the driving-seat when batting.

33 off 25 balls with 2 centurions in and accelerating (see above)

 

[Neil Pickup]

New batsmen don't actually do as well as consistently as 'set' batsman - or can't that happen because there aren't any statistics for it?

 

[marc71178]

New batsmen don't actually do as well as consistently as 'set' batsman - or can't that happen because there aren't any statistics for it?

I demand a first chance average for batsmen before they are set.

 

[Mr Mxyzptlk]

I demand a first chance average for batsmen before they are set.

Fear not. CricInfo will surely add that option to the Stats Guru filters.

Maybe not.

 

[Mr Mxyzptlk]

You're not going to slow the run-rate by taking wickets

So batsmen don't need to get set before playing shots? Batsmen who are seeing the ball well don't play shots more effectively?

 

[Mingster]

Once you take a wicket, a new batsman comes in and takes time to settle in. That's when the run rate slowed.

Richard you're a bloody joke if you don't share that opinion.

 

[FRAZ]

There aren't anywhere near as many as there used to be.
Collymore and Gayle demonstrated how not-especially-difficult it is on Sunday.
Jayasuriya is probably the best when he bowls well. Wasim was fantastic in his playing days. Gayle himself I have seen do a very good job. Kallis has been good of times, even if less so recently.
Once a delivery is pitched in the blockhole it's near enough impossible to hit to the boundary, let alone over it.

Saqlain and Warne for me .

 

[Richard]

New batsmen don't actually do as well as consistently as 'set' batsman - or can't that happen because there aren't any statistics for it?

Have I ever said you need statistics for everything.
And most batsmen take a short time only to get "set", especially in the one-day game, and if you bowl Long-Hops and leg-stump Half-Volleys almost any batsman will try to hit them at any time.
True that good length just outside off will generally be a dot-banker to someone on 2 balls, not so guranteed to someone who's faced 30, but you will slow the rate by taking a wicket only for 2 or 3 overs, and only if you continue to bowl well.
Perhaps I should have said taking a wicket doesn't slow the run-rate for a significant time.

 

[Neil Pickup]

Take wickets at regular intervals and that 2/3 overs multiplied by six becomes very, very significant.

 

[Tom Halsey]

Very true.

 

[Richard]

Take wickets at regular intervals and that 2/3 overs multiplied by six becomes very, very significant.

Regular intervals is entirely different - if you've got new batsmen every 5 overs or so of course good bowling will almost invariably be economical.
But it will also cut down the score because if all the batsmen score not many runs the total won't be very high.

 

[marc71178]

but you will slow the rate by taking a wicket only for 2 or 3 overs, and only if you continue to bowl well.

In a 50 over match, that is a big portion, especially at the right time...

 

[Eclipse]

There aren't anywhere near as many as there used to be.
Collymore and Gayle demonstrated how not-especially-difficult it is on Sunday.
Jayasuriya is probably the best when he bowls well. Wasim was fantastic in his playing days. Gayle himself I have seen do a very good job. Kallis has been good of times, even if less so recently.
Once a delivery is pitched in the blockhole it's near enough impossible to hit to the boundary, let alone over it.

I have never seen Kallis bowl well in the death.

Even Brett Lee has had some fun against Kallis in the last few overs off ODI's.

 

[Richard]

Kallis was brilliant in 1998-2000.
Before Lee's time.

 

[age_master]

I have never seen Kallis bowl well in the death.

Even Brett Lee has had some fun against Kallis in the last few overs off ODI's.

haha that was really funny

 

[Gaijin-san]

26 off Lee's bat and 27 from the over, I believe. Equalling some recent Shaun Pollock magic.

 

[db_927]

One player who has an amazing record in one form of the game yet has failed in tests in Michael Bevan:duh: :O :O :P

GO NEW SOUTH WALES!!!!