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Joe Root vs Mark Waugh

Who is the better test batsman?

  • Total voters
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kyear2

kyear2

International Coach
capt_Luffy said:
And that's completely fine, probably majority shares your sentiment. I just feel Chappell's more rounded record, Trumper's legacy, Border's tenacity and Waugh's dependable nature; just places them a little ahead of Ponting.
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I would explain why I have him higher, but don't need that argument again. Chappell tbh is hugely boosted by WSC to that position.

Border and Waugh had to face some serious attacks, and they get credit for that as well
 
BazBall21

BazBall21

International Vice-Captain
Windies

1) Garry Sobers
2) Vivian Richards
3) Brian Lara
4) George Headley

5) Clyde Walcott
6) Everton Weekes
7) Rohan Kanhai
8) Gordon Greenidge
9) Frank Worrell
10) Clive Lloyd

11) Shivnarine Chanderpaul

12) Conrad Hunte
13) Richie Richardson
14) Roy Freidricks
15) Desmond Haynes
16) Alvin Kallicharran

17) Basil Butcher
18) Chris Gayle
19) Seymour Nurse
20) Lawrence Rowe

Maybe forgetting a couple. Pretty much off the top of my head.
 
capt_Luffy

capt_Luffy

International Captain
kyear2 said:
I would explain why I have him higher, but don't need that argument again. Chappell tbh is hugely boosted by WSC to that position.

Border and Waugh had to face some serious attacks, and they get credit for that as well
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As I said, there are reasons both for and against each and every single one of them and I definitely rate players a bit different than you.
 
Coronis

Coronis

International Coach
capt_Luffy said:
Where would you place Trumper among Aussie batters?? I can definitely see arguments for Trumper to be with Hill, but I don't think placing him so high is unjustifiable really.....
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I’m not sure tbh (though probably? outside the top 10) and I’m not saying its unjustifiable, its that the reasons usually used for placing him so highly aren’t things that I necessarily place high importance in when rating batsmen. e.g SR, peer rating
 
capt_Luffy

capt_Luffy

International Captain
BazBall21 said:
Windies

1) Garry Sobers
2) Vivian Richards
3) Brian Lara
4) George Headley

5) Clyde Walcott
6) Everton Weekes
7) Rohan Kanhai
8) Gordon Greenidge
9) Frank Worrell
10) Clive Lloyd

11) Shivnarine Chanderpaul

12) Conrad Hunte
13) Richie Richardson
14) Roy Freidricks
15) Desmond Haynes
16) Alvin Kallicharran

17) Basil Butcher
18) Chris Gayle
19) Seymour Nurse
20) Lawrence Rowe

Maybe forgetting a couple. Pretty much off the top of my head.
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My Windies would be:

1. Garry Sobers
2. Brian Lara
3. Viv Richards
4. George Headley
5. Everton Weekes
6. Clyde Walcott
7. Rohan Kanhai
8. Frank Worrell
9. Clive Lloyd
10. Gordon Greenidge
11. Shivnarine Chanderpaul
12. Conrad Hunte
13. Alvin Kalicharan
14. Seymour Nurse
15. Roy Fredericks
16. Richie Richardson
17. Lawrence Rowe
18. Basil Butcher
19. Chris Gayle
20. Desmond Haynes
21. Ramnaresh Sarwan
22. Jimmy Adams
23. Joe Solomon
24. Jeffrey Strollmeyer
25. George Challenor
26. Larry Gomes
27. Carl Hooper
28. Roy Marshall
29. Allan Rae
30. Kraig Braithwaite
31. Charlie Davies
32. Darren Bravo
33. Robert Christiani
34. Gerry Gomez
35. Norman Marshall
36. Collie Smith
37. Clifford Roach
38. Gus Logie
39. Marlon Samuels
40. Denis Atkinson
41. Sherwin Campbell
42. Jermaih Blackwood
43. Joey Carew
44. John Holt
45. Roston Chase
46. Basil Williams
47. Colis King
48. Keith Arthurton
49. Brendan Nash
50. Faoud Bacchus
51. Jeff Dujon

I would say the Top 20 are kinda similar, though you rank Nurse way low.....
 
capt_Luffy

capt_Luffy

International Captain
Archer6K said:
What is your ranking for New Zealand’s batsman?
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New Zealand is kinda tough, especially with the likes of old players who hardly played (Dempster and Donnelly) and current generation who haven't really played enough but still deserves a spot (Conway and Mitchell). Anyways:

1. Kane Williamson
2. Martin Crowe
3. Glenn Turner
4. Ross Taylor
5. Bert Sutcliffe
6. Martin Donnelly
7. Stephen Fleming
8. John Wright
9. Stewei Dempster
10. Andrew Jones
11. Bevan Congdon
12. Nathan Astle
13. Tom Latham
14. Brendon McCullum
15. Mark Richardson
16. Jeremy Conney
17. B J Watling
18. Devon Conway
19. Darryl Mitchell
20. John Fulton Reid
21. John Richard Reid
22. Craig McMillan
23. Chris Cairns
24. Henry Nichols
25. Geoff Howarth
26. Walter Hadlee
27. Giff Vivian
28. Bruce Edgar
29. Scott Styrus
30. Mark Burgess
31. Bryan Young
32. Jacob Oram
33. Tom Lowry
34. Jess Ryder
35. Jack Kerr
36. Tom Blundell
37. Daniel Vettori
38. Mark Greatbatch
39. Graham Dowling
40. Colin de Grandhomme
41. Matthew Sinclair
42. Brian Hastings
43. Arthur Sims
44. Jeet Raval
45. Martin Guptill
46. Ken Ratherford
47. Jeff Crowe
48. James Franklin
49. Ian Smith
50. Rachin Ravindra
51. Richard Hadlee
 
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capt_Luffy

capt_Luffy

International Captain
Coronis said:
I would say you both rank Shiv too low :)
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Same with Ponting. Excellent longevity, no clear weakness; but the 10 batsmen ahead of him are 3 2nd best after Bradman competitors, the Black Don, 3 Ws, Rohan Kanhai, the big cat and Sir Cuthbert..... It's really tight.
 
BazBall21

BazBall21

International Vice-Captain
capt_Luffy said:
New Zealand is kinda tough, especially with the likes of old players who hardly played (Dempster and Donnelly) and current generation who haven't really played enough but still deserves a spot (Conway and Mitchell). Anyways:

1. Kane Williamson
2. Martin Crowe
3. Glenn Turner
4. Ross Taylor
5. Bert Sutcliffe
6. Martin Donnelly
7. Stephen Fleming
8. John Wright
9. Stewei Dempster
10. Andrew Jones
11. John Fulton Reid
12. Bevan Congdon
13. Nathan Astle
14. Tom Latham
15. Brendon McCullum
16. Mark Richardson
17. Jeremy Conney
18. B J Watling
19. Devon Conway
20. Darryl Mitchell
21. John Richard Reid
22. Craig McMillan
23. Chris Cairns
24. Henry Nichols
25. Geoff Howarth
26. Walter Hadlee
27. Giff Vivian
28. Bruce Edgar
29. Scott Styrus
30. Mark Burgess
31. Bryan Young
32. Jacob Oram
33. Tom Lawry
34. Jess Ryder
35. Jess Kerr
36. Tom Blundell
37. Daniel Vettori
38. Mark Greatbatch
39. Graham Dowling
40. Colin de Grandhomme
41. Matthew Sinclair
42. Brian Hastings
43. Arthur Sims
44. Jeet Raval
45. Martin Guptill
46. Ken Ratherford
47. Jeff Crowe
48. Ian Smith
49. Rachin Ravindra
50. Richard Hadlee
51. Adam Parore
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Incredible effort
 
A

Archer6K

U19 12th Man
capt_Luffy said:
New Zealand is kinda tough, especially with the likes of old players who hardly played (Dempster and Donnelly) and current generation who haven't really played enough but still deserves a spot (Conway and Mitchell). Anyways:

1. Kane Williamson
2. Martin Crowe
3. Glenn Turner
4. Ross Taylor
5. Bert Sutcliffe
6. Martin Donnelly
7. Stephen Fleming
8. John Wright
9. Stewei Dempster
10. Andrew Jones
11. Bevan Congdon
12. Nathan Astle
13. Tom Latham
14. Brendon McCullum
15. Mark Richardson
16. Jeremy Conney
17. B J Watling
18. Devon Conway
19. Darryl Mitchell
20. John Fulton Reid
21. John Richard Reid
22. Craig McMillan
23. Chris Cairns
24. Henry Nichols
25. Geoff Howarth
26. Walter Hadlee
27. Giff Vivian
28. Bruce Edgar
29. Scott Styrus
30. Mark Burgess
31. Bryan Young
32. Jacob Oram
33. Tom Lawry
34. Jess Ryder
35. Jess Kerr
36. Tom Blundell
37. Daniel Vettori
38. Mark Greatbatch
39. Graham Dowling
40. Colin de Grandhomme
41. Matthew Sinclair
42. Brian Hastings
43. Arthur Sims
44. Jeet Raval
45. Martin Guptill
46. Ken Ratherford
47. Jeff Crowe
48. Ian Smith
49. Rachin Ravindra
50. Richard Hadlee
51. Adam Parore
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Do you make rankings for bowlers as well?
 
Coronis

Coronis

International Coach
capt_Luffy said:
New Zealand is kinda tough, especially with the likes of old players who hardly played (Dempster and Donnelly) and current generation who haven't really played enough but still deserves a spot (Conway and Mitchell). Anyways:

1. Kane Williamson
2. Martin Crowe
3. Glenn Turner
4. Ross Taylor
5. Bert Sutcliffe
6. Martin Donnelly
7. Stephen Fleming
8. John Wright
9. Stewei Dempster
10. Andrew Jones
11. Bevan Congdon
12. Nathan Astle
13. Tom Latham
14. Brendon McCullum
15. Mark Richardson
16. Jeremy Conney
17. B J Watling
18. Devon Conway
19. Darryl Mitchell
20. John Fulton Reid
21. John Richard Reid
22. Craig McMillan
23. Chris Cairns
24. Henry Nichols
25. Geoff Howarth
26. Walter Hadlee
27. Giff Vivian
28. Bruce Edgar
29. Scott Styrus
30. Mark Burgess
31. Bryan Young
32. Jacob Oram
33. Tom Lawry
34. Jess Ryder
35. Jess Kerr
36. Tom Blundell
37. Daniel Vettori
38. Mark Greatbatch
39. Graham Dowling
40. Colin de Grandhomme
41. Matthew Sinclair
42. Brian Hastings
43. Arthur Sims
44. Jeet Raval
45. Martin Guptill
46. Ken Ratherford
47. Jeff Crowe
48. Ian Smith
49. Rachin Ravindra
50. Richard Hadlee
51. Adam Parore
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Heh love how Ravindra is there already.

Also Ross Taylor > Glenn Turner.
 
capt_Luffy

capt_Luffy

International Captain
HouHsiaoHsien said:
Pls do share(especially the Aus, Pak and SA lists)
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The pacers and spinners are ranked separately.

The Australian pacers:
1. Glenn McGrath
2. Dennis Lillee
3. Ray Lindwall
4. Allan Davidson
5. Pat Cummins
6. Keith Miller
7. Fred Spofforth
8. Jason Gillespie
9. Bill Johnston
10. Charlie Turner
11. Ted McDonald
12. Josh Hazlewood
13. Mitchell Starc
14. Jeff Thomson
15. Craig McDermott
16. Garth McKenzie
17. Mitchell Johnson
18. Ryan Harris
19. Ernie Toshack
20. Bruce Reid
21. Rodney Hogg
22. Jack Gregory
23. Brett Lee
24. Merv Hughes
25. John J Ferris
26. Max Walker
27. Ernie Jones
28. Sammy Woods
29. Geoff Lawson
30. Terry Alderman
31. Tibby Cotter
32. Neil Hawke
33. Stuart Clarke
34. Len Pascoe
35. Ernie McCormick


And the Aussie spinners:

1. Shane Warne
2. Bill O'Reilly
3. Clarrie Grimmett
4. Hugh Trumble
5. Richie Benaud
6. Nathan Lyon
7. Bert Ironmonger
8. Stuart MacGill
9. Monty Noble
10. Arthur Mailey
11. Ashley Mallet
12. Jack Iverson
13. Joey Palmer
14. Chuck Fleetwood-Smith
15. Jack Saunders
16. Bruce Yardley
17. Colin McCool
18. John Gleeson
19. Jim Higgs
20. Tim May
 
H

HouHsiaoHsien

International Debutant
capt_Luffy said:
The pacers and spinners are ranked separately.

The Australian pacers:
1. Glenn McGrath
2. Dennis Lillee
3. Ray Lindwall
4. Allan Davidson
5. Pat Cummins
6. Keith Miller
7. Fred Spofforth
8. Jason Gillespie
9. Bill Johnston
10. Charlie Turner
11. Ted McDonald
12. Josh Hazlewood
13. Mitchell Starc
14. Jeff Thomson
15. Craig McDermott
16. Garth McKenzie
17. Mitchell Johnson
18. Ryan Harris
19. Ernie Toshack
20. Bruce Reid
21. Rodney Hogg
22. Jack Gregory
23. Brett Lee
24. Merv Hughes
25. John J Ferris
26. Max Walker
27. Ernie Jones
28. Sammy Woods
29. Geoff Lawson
30. Terry Alderman
31. Tibby Cotter
32. Neil Hawke
33. Stuart Clarke
34. Len Pascoe
35. Ernie McCormick


And the Aussie spinners:

1. Shane Warne
2. Bill O'Reilly
3. Clarrie Grimmett
4. Hugh Trumble
5. Richie Benaud
6. Nathan Lyon
7. Bert Ironmonger
8. Stuart MacGill
9. Monty Noble
10. Arthur Mailey
11. Ashley Mallet
12. Jack Iverson
13. Joey Palmer
14. Chuck Fleetwood-Smith
15. Jack Saunders
16. Bruce Yardley
17. Colin McCool
18. John Gleeson
19. Jim Higgs
20. Tim May
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Nice. Lyon still below Benaud?
 
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