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I think both are going to be much tougher than you think but I do hope you’re right.
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Joe Root vs Mark Waugh
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Johan
International Captain
English players retire early if their form starts going down, so if that happens I don't think Root would stay long enough for his average to significantly drop.
though, Australia is tricky because the last series the high bounce constantly got him, he is virtually perfect against the seaming and swinging ball and sensational against spin as well but he has to tweak his game against true bounce a little, one monster series in Australia is all he really needs to be a tier 1 ATG Batsmen instead of a tier 2.
Prediction – He'll pass Punter with a higher average than him.
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I still think both are very unlikely but I don’t mind being proven wrong on this.
Johan
International Captain
wellllllllllllllll he did prove you wrong about his averaging falling to Ross Taylor level
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Tbf I was obviously joking when saying he would end up Taylor/Hussey levelwellllllllllllllll he did prove you wrong about his averaging falling to Ross Taylor level
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sayon basak
International Captain
Averaging 50 in AUS will be tough to say the least. Root average only 35 now.
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Main reason he could struggle in Aus is if they bowl dry since he doesn’t leave/defend much anymore under Bazball. It’s why he struggled in India earlier this year until he made a conscious decision to bat really slowly and not play any premeditated shots.
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Johan
International Captain
yeah that's almost a impossible, but reckon one big series and a 40+ average is fine, Lara averager 41 In Australia but no one holds it against him.
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I thought he meant averaging 50+ overall, not in Aus
GIMH
Norwood's on Fire
It’s overstated how much he struggles in Australia anyway.
Very poor first Tour there when Johnson ran amok, the team was falling apart and Root was messed around bumping up and down the order, having opened in the prior summer, before being given a mercy dropping after four Tests. I’d go as far as to say the management of Root in 2013-14 is as bad as I’ve seen for a young England player.
Averaged 47 in 17-18. No hundred, but hardly a rank failure.
Last tour, amidst tyranny, illness and the dying embers of his captaincy, he only managed a 32 average but he was the third highest run scorer in the series. Still, you expect better from Root even if others aren’t scoring, but context matters.
None of this is to excuse anything. He needs a couple of tons en route to our victory there next winter to end this talk once and for all. But his ‘struggles’ down under are exaggerated.
Very poor first Tour there when Johnson ran amok, the team was falling apart and Root was messed around bumping up and down the order, having opened in the prior summer, before being given a mercy dropping after four Tests. I’d go as far as to say the management of Root in 2013-14 is as bad as I’ve seen for a young England player.
Averaged 47 in 17-18. No hundred, but hardly a rank failure.
Last tour, amidst tyranny, illness and the dying embers of his captaincy, he only managed a 32 average but he was the third highest run scorer in the series. Still, you expect better from Root even if others aren’t scoring, but context matters.
None of this is to excuse anything. He needs a couple of tons en route to our victory there next winter to end this talk once and for all. But his ‘struggles’ down under are exaggerated.
capt_Luffy
International Coach
50 Sri Lanka Pacers:
1. Chaminda Vaas
2. Asitha Fernando
3. Lasith Malinga
4. Suranga Lakmal
5. Rumesh Ratnayake
6. Lahiru Kumara
7. Ashantha De Mel
8. Dilhara Fernando
9. Vishwa Fernando
10. Kasun Rajitha
11. Nuwan Zoysa
12. Dhammika Prasad
13. Vinothen John
14. Shaminda Eranga
15. Nuwan Kulasekhara
16. Ravi Ratnayake
17. Nuwan Pradeep
18. Pramodya Wickramasinghe
19. Ravindra Pushpakumara
20. Chanaka Welegedera
21. Champaka Ramnayake
22. Graeme Labrooy
23. Saliya Ahangama
24. Thilan Thusara
25. Dulip Liyanage
26. Kosala Kupurruachi
27. Milan Rathnayake
28. Ruchira Perera
29. Kaushik Amalean
30. Dasun Shanaka
31. Prabath Nissanka
32. Kapila Wijegunawardane
33. Chandika Hathurusinghe
34. Farveez Maharoof
35. Sujeeva de Silva
36. Chamila Gamage
37. Gayan Wijekoon
38. Charitha Buddhika
39. Asanka Gurusinha
40. Hasantha Fernando
41. Thisara Perera
42. Lahiru Gamage
43. Ishera Amerasinghe
44. Epic Upashantha
45. Dinusha Fernando
46. Angelo Mathews
47. Asela Gunaratne
48. Chamika Karunaratne
49. Kosala Kulasekhara
50. Suresh Perera
50 New Zealand Spinners:
1. Daniel Vettori
2. Ajaz Patel
3. John Bracewell
4. Tom Burtt
5. Hedley Howarth
6. Mitchell Santner
7. Stephen Boock
8. Jack Alabaster
9. Bryan Yuile
10. Glenn Philips
11. Deepak Patel
12. Bill Merritt
13. Ish Sodhi
14. Jeetan Patel
15. Paul Wiseman
16. Giff Vivian
17. Mark Craig
18. Peter Petherick
19. David O'Sullivan
20. Roger Blunt
21. Michael Bracewell
22. Alex Moir
23. Matthew Hart
24. Vic Pollard
25. Norman Gallichan
26. William Somerville
27. Evan Gray
28. Geoff Rabone
29. Bruce Martin
30. Rachin Ravindra
31. Kane Williamson
32. Matt Poore
33. John Sparling
34. Allen Lissette
35. Tom Puna
36. Mark Priest
37. Ces Burke
38. Vaughan Brown
39. Brooke Walker
40. Ian Sinclair
41. Eric Dempster
42. Grant Bradburn
43. Mark Haslam
44. Chris Kugglejain
45. Doug Freeman
46. Bill Bell
47. Colin Snedden
48. John Morrison
49. Martin Guptill
50. Ross Taylor
And Yes, I hate myself
capt_Luffy
International Coach
Averages just 16!! It was him, Mark Burgess or Graham Vivian and spoiler alert, none of them can even remotely be called an all-rounder (okay, Vivian can, but still thought Taylor was cooler and Vivian sucked anyways).
Fuller Pilch
Hall of Fame Member
Good effort. It is really strange that Gren Alabaster never played a test as he was better than 80% of these NZ players.
Johan
International Captain
I can't tell what's more cooked between SL pace and NZ spin
Coronis
International Coach
Well, Vaas > Vettori. I’d also say Fernando is better than Patel. So I’ll say NZ spin.
Red_Ink_Squid
Global Moderator
Philips as a top 10 spinner is glorious.
Johan
International Captain
Yeah sounds fair, NZ should stop playing spinners.