Joe Root vs Dravid

[ataraxia]

Just do CricSim ffs

 

[Prince EWS]

Just do CricSim ffs

Nah.

 

[Red_Ink_Squid]

Nah.

Agreed.

Standardised averages more important.

 

[Prince EWS]

Agreed.

Standardised averages more important.

CricSim would be a very ongoing commitment too.

I could totally pull something off in my "these people are too close and need to be different jurisdictions for a while" prison. But after my sentence is over I can't do ****.

Updating the thing makes a lot of sense for that.

 

[govinda indian fan]

Lets wait until root career ends

 

[Prince EWS]

Lets wait until root career ends

Okay I'll put off my updates until then.

 

[Coronis]

I keep telling people I don't have time but I've actually been sent on exile for a month so I might even do actually that!

Exile from politics for a month sounds like a dream come true.

Okay I'll put off my updates until then.

Stop teasin boi

 

[Prince EWS]

Exile from politics for a month sounds like a dream come true.




Stop teasin boi

I have also had to resign from my job entirely for at least six months so it's not all that fun on a financial level.

And on a personal level, not being allowed to see someone when we both want to see each other constantly makes me feel like I'm 14 (and yeah yeah don't worry she's in her in 30s as well, joke defused)

Anyway, not sure how we got here. Yay Dravid!

 

[Coronis]

I have also had to resign from my job entirely for at least six months so it's not all that fun on a financial level.

And on a personal level, not being allowed to see someone when we both want to constantly makes me feel like I'm 14 (and yeah yeah don't worry she's in her in 30s as well, joke defused)

Anyway, not sure how we got here. Yay David!

Really actually sorry to hear that mate. Nothing malicious intended.

 

[subshakerz]

Interesting this is quite close

 

[PlayerComparisons]

Interesting this is quite close

Active players are generally going to be a bit overrated on here since they haven’t gone through the decline phase.

Root had the talent to be as good as Dravid but I think he lacks the same hunger of runs/concentration that most ATGs have ( conversion rate problems and averaged 25 in Pakistan). Still a great player though who’s played in a very tough era and probably won’t be that far behind Dravid at the end of his career,

 

[capt_Luffy]

Active players are generally going to be a bit overrated on here since they haven’t gone through the decline phase.

Root had the talent to be as good as Dravid but I think he lacks the same hunger of runs/concentration that most ATGs have (poor conversion rate and averaged 25 in Pakistan). Still a great player though who’s played in a very tough era.

Either that or the fab 3 are going to be rated higher after they retire.

 

[Johan]

Root had the talent to be as good as Dravid but I think he lacks the same hunger of runs/concentration that most ATGs have ( conversion rate problems and averaged 25 in Pakistan). Still a great player though who’s played in a very tough era and not that far behind Dravid.

Be fair.

Root played five innings in pakistan, that's nowhere near enough sample size.

plus, Root has 34 100s in 265 innings while Dravid has 36 in 286 innings, thus is Root taking less innings per hundred, him having one more 50 doesn't really mean anything, as making 50s isn't a bad thing ie the last match where his 50 was very important to england winning the game.

 

[PlayerComparisons]

Be fair.

Root played five innings in pakistan, that's nowhere near enough sample size.

plus, Root has 34 100s in 265 innings while Dravid has 36 in 286 innings, thus is Root taking less innings per hundred, him having one more 50 doesn't really mean anything, as making 50s isn't a bad thing ie the last match where his 50 was very important to england winning the game.

You misunderstood my post. I never said his record in Pak was a hole.

I’m just saying his poor conversion rate and him not always cashing in is why he’ll probably end up with a worse record/average than Dravid when his career is over,

 

[Johan]

You misunderstood my post. I never said his record in Pak was a hole.

I’m just saying his poor conversion rate and him not always cashing in is why he’ll probably end up with a worse record/average than Dravid when his career is over,

made up issue imo, bar a mid career slump because of mentality, he has converted and cashed in pretty well and consistently, there are gonna be mishaps but there is no point acting like Dravid didn't have them either.

 

[PlayerComparisons]

made up issue imo, bar a mid career slump because of mentality, he has converted and cashed in pretty well and consistently, there are gonna be mishaps but there is no point acting like Dravid didn't have them either.

I guess we’ll see at the end of his career how close his record is to Dravid. Dravid was averaging 58 at Roots age. If Root is still averaging around 50 at the end, then he’s definitely as good as Dravid.

 

[Johan]

I guess we’ll see at the end of his career how close his record is to Dravid. Dravid was averaging 58 at Roots age. If Root is still averaging around 50 at the end, then he’s definitely as good as Dravid.

fair enough, tho just to be clear at 33 even Lara himself was averaging only 50.1

 

[PlayerComparisons]

fair enough, tho just to be clear at 33 even Lara himself was averaging only 50.1

Yea some like Lara and Sanga were able to maintain their performances but some like Ponting and Dravid declined badly after 33 which is why it’s hard to rate players still playing

 

[centurymaker]

I think Root is possibly better. Now before certain section of fans go after me, let's take a look at their stats excluding Bangladesh and Zimbabwe. Root averages 51 while Dravid averages 49. Both superb players of swing and seam bowling but not so good vs pace and bounce. Root is slightly better than Dravid vs spin. Root is also a naturally more aggressive batsman than Dravid with wider range of strokes.

Batting records | Test matches | Cricinfo Statsguru | ESPNcricinfo.com

stats.espncricinfo.com

How about we remove Sri Lanka and West Indies for Root as both have had weak attacks during Root's entire test career.

Batting records | Test matches | Cricinfo Statsguru | ESPNcricinfo.com

stats.espncricinfo.com

Averages 48.5 without WI and SL.
22 tons from 214 innings.
A century every 10 innings.

Meanwhile,
Averages 61 Vs WI and SL
12 tons from 50 innings.
A century every 4 innings.

 

[centurymaker]

Unfortunately for Root he has no more series against WI and SL until 2028. By then he may already be retired if he and his team don't do so well in the Ashes 2025/Ashes 2027. Given his age and the opponents he will face in the coming 3 years and the amount of cricket England plays, I don't think he will finish with a career average over 50.