Jasprit Bumrah vs Malcolm Marshall

[sayon basak]

If @kyear2 does mention him we should always ask him about why Van Der Bijl isn't an ATG.

Yet another case of him running away when cornered or deflecting.

Bijl is an ATG FC bowler, just like how Barry is an ATG FC batter.

 

[DrWolverine]

because even if you lop off the early and late years, Sachin played more years and tests than virtually any other ATG batsman. 19 years, 160 odd tests, averaged ~60.

If you exclude first and last 3 years
Sachin : 163 Tests. 13866 runs @ 58. 49 tons
Lara : 89 Tests. 8086 runs @ 52. 22 tons
Sunny : 92 Tests. 7483 runs @ 50. 26 tons.
Viv : 81 Tests. 5381 runs @ 49. 15 tons.
Sobers : 72 Tests. 7021 runs @ 63. 24 tons

 

[ankitj]

Why will you remove Viv Richards' first 3 years?

 

[Prince EWS]

Being better for longer is more useful in real cricket.

If Tendulkar was good enough at 17 to already improve his team and Viv wasn't he deserves credit for that in a comparison with him, not rating down because it made his average worse.

Same when they got older. If Tendulkar was still improving his team by playing on and Viv was stinking it up, that counts in his favour.

The most overrated players here were either too **** to be selected young or retired early, because it gives them pretty averages.

 

[Johan]

That is largely due to his destructive batting.

I have never seen anyone use the words for Sachin or Smith even though they are just as good if not better.

Smith is simply not as good as Viv

 

[DrWolverine]

Smith is simply not as good as Viv

Smith’s better.

 

[Johan]

Smith’s better.

No he isn't

 

[DrWolverine]

Why will you remove Viv Richards' first 3 years?

Okay 2 years.

Sachin : 174 Tests. 14700 runs @ 57. 50 tons.
Sunny : 102 Tests. 8062 runs @ 49. 27 tons.
Lara : 108 Tests. 9850 runs @ 53. 26 tons.
Richards : 98 Tests. 7378 runs @ 54. 23 tons.
Sobers : 81 Tests. 7355 runs @ 59. 25 tons.

 

[Johan]

better

 

[DrWolverine]

Being better for longer is more useful in real cricket.

Sachin averaged 41 in 1990.
Sachin averaged 47 in 2011.

In between he played 3+ Tests in a year 20 times and he was able to have an average of 40+ 18 times and averaged 50+ 12 times. Insane consistency & longevity

 

[sayon basak]

Smith’s better.

Smith would have a hard time averaging 56 in the 80's.

 

[Johan]

if Smith plays as long as Viv did (17 years) he won't average 55 anything.

 

[sayon basak]

if Smith plays as long as Viv did (17 years) he won't average 55 anything.

Exactly.

 

[subshakerz]

Smith would have a hard time averaging 56 in the 80's.

I always thought that his dodgy technique never really got sufficiently stress tested against pace in form.

For some reason even when he faced ostensibly quality pacers somehow they werent really firing at full capacity, current series excepted.

Like he has a ton against Steyn which gave him a good series, he gets credit for it but honestly Steyn bowled absolute rubbish that innings. He has a ton at home against Rabada again who was bowling rubbish that series. He scored a ton against Bumrah at home in 2021 but Bumrah wasn't really 100 percent fit.

He scored two tons this series though that absolutely are quality given Bumrahs form even if it was a low yield series.

 

[DrWolverine]

Smith would have a hard time averaging 56 in the 80's.

FYI Viv averaged 49.1 in 1980s

 

[Johan]

Viv definitely handled fast bowling way better than Smith

 

[centurymaker]

if Smith plays as long as Viv did (17 years) he won't average 55 anything.

If Smith plays till Ashes 2027 (aged 38), his average will fall below Ponting's, as he's only 4 points away from him. Ponting happened to retire at 38 as well.

Smith 55.86 ...after 114 tests
Punter 51.85 ...after 168 tests

 

[capt_Luffy]

Viv definitely handled fast bowling way better than Smith

Yes he did. Smith better to spinners no doubt though.

 

[subshakerz]

FYI Viv averaged 49.1 in 1980s

If Smith debuted early 80s I see him overall averaging low 50s like Viv. Still very impressive but he definitely takes a hit.

 

[subshakerz]

I think if Smith tours SA again, he might end up averaging sub 40 there and it becomes a talking point about his record.