Jasprit Bumrah vs Malcolm Marshall

[sayon basak]

At this stage of their careers their WPM are very similar but Bumrah is a standard deviation ahead in average

Guess he was talking about peaks.
As Bumrah has played for 6 years, I'm gonna compare Marshall's 7 year peak.

Malcolm Marshall (1983-1989):-
292 wickets @19.229; WPM of 5.41, 4 ten wickets in a match.

 

[subshakerz]

At this stage of their careers their WPM are very similar but Bumrah is a standard deviation ahead in average

Are you sure? I thought Marshall was well ahead on WPM. Would be interested to see their respective bowling loads too at this stage.

 

[OverratedSanity]

It's fair to say though that Bumrah has been bowling to a weaker Australian batting line up collectively.

Compared to Marshall it's arguably not as weak. The 80s Australia batting lineup was horrible.

 

[subshakerz]

Marshall during his peak was taking a seriously insane bowling load.

He bowled over 200 overs in series in India 83, Aus 84 and Eng 88 and regularly bowled over 150 overs a series in his peak. That's a lot of toughness for an express pacer.

Bumrah has never cracked 200, barely does 150. He did 187 but that was in Eng 2021 when the 5th test was six months later. He is seriously pushing himself this series and hasn't cracked 150 overs yet and seems spent.

I think this is one measure Marshall outstrips Bumrah. Bumrah would have broken down with Marshalls load.

 

[PlayerComparisons]

The only black mark on Bumrah’s career is that he’s missed quite a few games. I value availability really highly and Bumrah’s only had effectively like a 4 year career so far. I think he needs another 4-5 years before being compared to Marshall/Steyn/Imran etc

 

[PlayerComparisons]

Marshall during his peak was taking a seriously insane bowling load.

He bowled over 200 overs in series in India 83, Aus 83 and Eng 88 and regularly bowled over 150 overs a series in his peak. That's a lot of toughness.

Bumrah has never cracked 200, barely does 150. He did 187 but that was in Eng 2021 when the 5th test was six months later. He is seriously pushing himself this series and hasn't cracked 150 overs yet and seems spent.

I think this is one measure Marshall outstrips Bumrah. Bumrah would have broken down with Marshalls load.

Batting strike rates are going up so bowlers don’t have to bowl as much anymore

 

[sayon basak]

Marshall during his peak was taking a seriously insane bowling load.

He bowled over 200 overs in series in India 83, Aus 83 and Eng 88 and regularly bowled over 150 overs a series in his peak. That's a lot of toughness.

Bumrah has never cracked 200, barely does 150. He did 187 but that was in Eng 2021 when the 5th test was six months later. He is seriously pushing himself this series and hasn't cracked 150 overs yet and seems spent.

I think this is one measure Marshall outstrips Bumrah. Bumrah would have broken down with Marshalls load.

I mean, one could argue that Bumrah doesn't need to bowl that much, batting lineup is gonna collapse before that anyway.

 

[The_CricketUmpire]

Compared to Marshall it's arguably not as weak. The 80s Australia batting lineup was horrible.

Correct. I was referencing Australia's strong era - 1990s through to the mid 2000s.

 

[subshakerz]

I mean, one could argue that Bumrah doesn't need to bowl that much, batting lineup is gonna collapse before that anyway.

That argument should work for Marshall. He had high quality support and great batting but still took a lead role with a lot of overs for an express pacer.

However Bumrah doesn't need to bowl as much at home. But he simply is not physically capable of taking that load that Marshall did in his peak.

 

[ankitj]

Serous question.

How many wickets did Bumrah get this series that he wouldn't have got if he had stronger support.

And it's not impacting his average becuse they have been clueless against him.

He came back to clean up the tail in each of the last two innings.

On the 4th day of the MCG test, Bumrah literally said that he can't push anymore when Rohit kept turning to him again and again. How do you think that impacts his record?

Jasprit Bumrah saying "Bas ab nahi lag raha Jor" #indvsaus #testcricket #cricketshorts #indvsaus2024

Jasprit Bumrah saying "Bas ab nahi lag raha Jor" #indvsaus #testcricket #cricketshorts #indvsaus2024India Vs Australia 4th Test Match Day 5 Full Highlights 2...

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[subshakerz]

On the 4th day of the MCG test, Bumrah literally said that he can't push anymore when Rohit kept turning to him again and again. How do you think that impacts his record?

Jasprit Bumrah saying "Bas ab nahi lag raha Jor" #indvsaus #testcricket #cricketshorts #indvsaus2024

Jasprit Bumrah saying "Bas ab nahi lag raha Jor" #indvsaus #testcricket #cricketshorts #indvsaus2024India Vs Australia 4th Test Match Day 5 Full Highlights 2...

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That's weak. You wouldn't see Lillee do that.

 

[Prince EWS]

That's weak. You wouldn't see Lillee do that.

Yeah or Hoggard.

 

[ankitj]

That's weak. You wouldn't see Lillee do that.

Weak or not, it doesn't change the fact that he bowled even when he was exhausted because of the quality of support.

 

[kyear2]

On the 4th day of the MCG test, Bumrah literally said that he can't push anymore when Rohit kept turning to him again and again. How do you think that impacts his record?

Jasprit Bumrah saying "Bas ab nahi lag raha Jor" #indvsaus #testcricket #cricketshorts #indvsaus2024

Jasprit Bumrah saying "Bas ab nahi lag raha Jor" #indvsaus #testcricket #cricketshorts #indvsaus2024India Vs Australia 4th Test Match Day 5 Full Highlights 2...

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I don't think that's the flex you think it is tbh.

 

[subshakerz]

Weak or not, it doesn't change the fact that he bowled even when he was exhausted because of the quality of support.

Yeah but is he even capable of marathon spells that other ATGs of the past are?

 

[ankitj]

Marshall during his peak was taking a seriously insane bowling load.

He bowled over 200 overs in series in India 83, Aus 84 and Eng 88 and regularly bowled over 150 overs a series in his peak. That's a lot of toughness for an express pacer.

Bumrah has never cracked 200, barely does 150. He did 187 but that was in Eng 2021 when the 5th test was six months later. He is seriously pushing himself this series and hasn't cracked 150 overs yet and seems spent.

I think this is one measure Marshall outstrips Bumrah. Bumrah would have broken down with Marshalls load.

Bumrah bowls 11.2% of his team's over while Marshall bowled 11.7%. Games have just been shorter and/or India has had fewer chances to bowl in 2 full innings in a test

 

[Prince EWS]

I don't think that's the flex you think it is tbh.

Pun intended?

 

[kyear2]

Bumrah bowls 11.2% of his team's over while Marshall bowled 11.7%. Games have just been shorter and/or India has had fewer chances to bowl in 2 full innings in a test

People always say that guys are fitter and stronger, but the guys from previous eras bowled much longer spells and didn't look like Bumrah did afterwards.

 

[kyear2]

Pun intended?

Lol, noo.

 

[ankitj]

Yeah but is he even capable of marathon spells that other ATGs of the past are?

It's never been contested that his action can't support heavy workload.