tooextracool
International Coach
out of 5 innings he was out thrice to part timers....twice due to poor strokes off sarwan and once when he chipped one straight back to dwayne smith.Tom Halsey said:
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Is Flintoff Overrated?
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tooextracool
International Coach
white in his prime was much better though and his performances against the WI and in pakistan show that.Tom Halsey said:
tooextracool
International Coach
one of his 50s at headingly came in dead rubber.....regardless we all thought that he had become a more mature player after that series but what happened in his next 6 test matches certainly didnt emphasise that......Tom Halsey said:
Tom Halsey
International Coach
Yes, but that doesn't alter the fact that he batted rather well to get there.tooextracool said:
Tom Halsey
International Coach
Yes, but in SL you can hardly blame him, as he was on turning pitches with Murali up the other end - none of the batsmen exactly covered themselves in glory, because you can't play any top class spinner with ease in turning conditions like those. He actually had the 5th highest average on the tour, and no-one averaged anywhere near 40 (Vaughan was highest with 36). He was also the best bowler on tour, averaging 24 in very hard conditions for seamers to bowl in, which IMO proves that his bowling is better than you give him credit for.tooextracool said:
In WI, as I've already said, while he may have got out to part timers alot, he had still played well until that point.
Tom Halsey
International Coach
No, Freddy is a much better bowler now than White ever was - it probably started in the SL series.tooextracool said:
tooextracool
International Coach
personally i dont think hes a good enough wicket taker yet....
tooextracool
International Coach
yes but thats what flintoff has been for years.....even if he only scored 6 runs he would probably look brilliant doing it. his problem has always been temperamental, which only recently hes managed to sort out.Tom Halsey said:
tooextracool
International Coach
thats barely something to be proud off....but yes he got better towards the end of that tour.Tom Halsey said:
personally i dont think he was anywhere near as dangerous as his average suggests, most of his wickets came off batsman who had already scored 50+ and got out to accurate balls rather than great bowling.Tom Halsey said:
Tom Halsey
International Coach
Yes, they scored 50+, which means he got out batsmen who were set.
Bowling accurately still need to be praised.
Bowling accurately still need to be praised.
tooextracool
International Coach
yes but how helpful is it if you allowed a batsman to get 60-70 and then got him out,especially considering that on most occasions it was probably the batsman that got himself out....Tom Halsey said:
yes it does but it was something we had already known about from his world cup campaign and it doesnt necessarily make him a better bowler than craig white.Tom Halsey said:
Arjun
Cricketer Of The Year
Any way he can be brought into the Indian team? He would make a fantastic opening partner for Pathan and do a far better job than "break down" Zaheer, "compact" Agarkar and "home-turf bully" Balaji.
Well...if there is a "Corporate Cup" (Dalmiya's brainchild?) in Indian doemstic cricket where international players may be invited, he should feature in some team.
Well...if there is a "Corporate Cup" (Dalmiya's brainchild?) in Indian doemstic cricket where international players may be invited, he should feature in some team.
Tom Halsey
International Coach
It's not hi fault the other bowlers let him get to 60-70...tooextracool said:
Tom Halsey
International Coach
Ah yes...how brilliant a bowler White was...tooextracool said:
Tom Halsey
International Coach
More than just a hint of sarcasm! 
luckyeddie
Cricket Web Staff Member
Delighted to see you're back, Richard, old mate, and still sticking to your guns.Richard said:
I shan't comment too much on the Freddie debate other to say that over the last 12 months, he has become, to me, the most exciting cricketer I have seen in over a decade.
<quack> Rikki, surely?