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He hasn't always bowled much though, in the India tour of 2002-03 for example I don't think he bowled a single over in the Test series.
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Is Daniel Vettori underachieving?
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thierry henry
International Coach
Well then...I would argue that on green (or even greenish) pitches he shouldn't be in the side....
Prince EWS
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Not that I think wickets per match actually has much relevence at all, but Vettori takes 3.14 wickets per test match. Take out Bangladesh and Zimbabwe, and that number drops to 2.9.
Flem274*
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Interesting that he's that good against SL. I would have thought they wouldn't be too challenged by Vettori considering they've got Murali to practice with. That Pakistan, India and SA average is shocking though. Thanks for that Athlai.
thierry henry
International Coach
Exactly. And people act like he carries the other bowlers. With 3 wickets per match. This argument seriously gets made. ffs.
Athlai
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The Sri Lanka average I found rather shocking TBH.Interesting that he's that good against SL. I would have thought they wouldn't be too challenged by Vettori considering they've got Murali to practice with. That Pakistan, India and SA average is shocking though. Thanks for that Athlai.
Flem274*
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Hmm
TH has a point then.
And no I don't think Vettori got any bowling in that India tour.
Vettori has been a bit of a run restrictor though, but really we can analyse stats as much as we want. If he is performing, he keeps his spot. If he doesn't, he should go. Simple.
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Disagree. If the conditions are such that 4 bowlers are able to take the majority of the wickets, Vettori's batting would be more useful than an extra seamer IMO.
Flem274*
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yeah 21. They're from the subcontinent where there's heaps of spinners, they should be ashamedThe Sri Lanka average I found rather shocking TBH.
thierry henry
International Coach
Ummm, extra batsman?
Prince EWS
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If Vettori isn't going to bowl though, wouldn't picking another specialist batsman make more sense than carrying a non-bowling bowler based on the fact that he bats better than the other bowlers?
Prince EWS
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Beat me to it.
thierry henry
International Coach
You took too many words to explain it tbh
Prince EWS
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So you pick Vettori, as a specialist batsman, just because it looks better for the side with him at 8 than McCullum there? If he isn't going to bowl, there is no way he should be in the side.
Prince EWS
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Who originally missed out out of Fleming, Sinclair, Fulton and Styris.
Flem274*
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A team like this?
Papps
Vincent/Cumming
Sinclair
Fleming
Fulton
Styris
Oram
McCullum
Franklin
Bond
Gillespie/Martin/someone
That's one mighty middle order.
thierry henry
International Coach
If it was a greentop. Maybe.
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The fact that he's been groomed as the next captain for about 6-7 years means that he has quite a lot to offer the side apart from his bowling IMO.
But you're right, there could probably be more useful options in conditions that don't suit his bowling, I just think that it would be a bit of a waste of the tactical knowledge he's gained in the last few years.