shortpitched713
International Captain
He wasn't picked early in his career to play longer. Still accomplished a helluva lot.
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Is AB de Villiers an ATG test batsman?
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subshakerz
Hall of Fame Member
LOL @ you all for actually bothering to come up with fancy counter arguments to prove Philander is not better than Wasim, Lillee, etc. It's a random outlier opinion that doesn't need much rebuttal.
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Red_Ink_Squid
Global Moderator
CricketFan90s
State Vice-Captain
Stats clearly show that Philander was the most lethal bowler after Dale Steyn in Swinging Conditions for the previous decade(2010s), So i have to partially agree that he is an All Time Great as he was also good at Batting in the Lower Order. The only problem with Philander was Longevity.
We tend to Overate Batsmen and Underate Bowlers in Cricket.
We tend to Overate Batsmen and Underate Bowlers in Cricket.
shortpitched713
International Captain
**** it, you guys are right, and have actually convinced me. I'd put in Garner over Philander, given the arguments mentioned. Thought of some other bowlers as well like Imran and Pollock are probably better than him too (Still think he's better than Lillee, so put that in your pipes and smoke it Church of Orthodox Concensus CW Cricket Opinions!) My revised list of ATG seamers from modern (70-) era:
Richard Hadlee
Joel Garner
Malcolm Marshall
Curtly Ambrose
Allan Donald
Glenn Mcgrath
Dale Steyn
The whole point of this freaking tangent is that ATG is an exclusive as **** category, and a club in which AdV doesn't belong.
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CricketFan90s
State Vice-Captain
Philander was the best bowler if you want to play Test Matches only in South africa, England and New Zealand.
Prince EWS
Global Moderator
Especially once you factor in his far superior batting.
CricketFan90s
State Vice-Captain
Vernon Philander has the Best Average Among all South African Greats when you include only England, New Zealand and South African Swinging Conditions.
1) Allan Donald - 232 Wickets at an Avg of 22.15
2) Shaun Pollock - 296 Wickets at an Avg of 21.74
3) Dale Steyn - 293 Wickets at an Avg of 22.55
4) Vernon Philander - 191 Wickets at an Avg of 20.06*
1) Allan Donald - 232 Wickets at an Avg of 22.15
2) Shaun Pollock - 296 Wickets at an Avg of 21.74
3) Dale Steyn - 293 Wickets at an Avg of 22.55
4) Vernon Philander - 191 Wickets at an Avg of 20.06*
CricketFan90s
State Vice-Captain
In an All Time XI i would choose Vernon Philander if the Games are played in South Africa, England and New Zealand as he is also a good lower order batsmen.
CricketFan90s
State Vice-Captain
5) Kagiso Rabada - 209 Wickets at an Avg of 21.66
CricketFan90s
State Vice-Captain
Virender Sehwag Batting Record
Vernon Philander Batting Record
| In England | 2002-2011 | 6 | 10 | 0 | 278 | 106 | 27.80 | 431 | 64.50 | 1 | 1 | 3 | 43 | 1 |
| In New Zealand | 2002-2009 | 5 | 9 | 0 | 180 | 48 | 20.00 | 185 | 97.29 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 30 | 2 |
| In South Africa | 2001-2011 | 8 | 15 | 0 | 382 | 105 | 25.46 | 563 | 67.85 | 1 | 1 | 2 | 66 | 2 |
Vernon Philander Batting Record
| In England | 2012-2017 | 6 | 10 | 2 | 292 | 61 | 36.50 | 471 | 61.99 | 0 | 3 | 1 | 38 | 3 |
| In New Zealand | 2012-2017 | 6 | 7 | 2 | 135 | 37* | 27.00 | 298 | 45.30 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 17 | 1 |
| In South Africa | 2011-2020 | 36 | 52 | 11 | 910 | 74 | 22.19 | 2015 | 45.16 | 0 | 4 | 5 | 105 | 5 |
CricketFan90s
State Vice-Captain
Jeff Thomson
Vernon Philander
In their best playing conditions Vernon Philander was more Dangerous than Jeff Thompson
| In Australia | 1972-1983 | 29 | 52 | 6027 | 3223 | 129 | 6/46 | 9/105 | 24.98 | 3.20 | 46.7 | 6 | 0 |
| In South Africa | 2011-2020 | 36 | 69 | 1068.0 | 299 | 2787 | 146 | 6/21 | 10/102 | 19.08 | 2.60 | 43.8 | 9 | 1 |
In their best playing conditions Vernon Philander was more Dangerous than Jeff Thompson
Prince EWS
Global Moderator
Haha not exactly an apples to apples comparison there.
CricketFan90s
State Vice-Captain
I compared them as Jeff Thompson and Vernon Philander were Lethal when conditions suited them. I agree that both are different bowlers one is a Super Fast bowler and another a medium paced Swing bowler.
South African Media is not very influential like England and Australia so Philander is a bit under-rated if he was playing for Australia or England they would celebrate him as an Ashes Hero if he wins a couple of matches in Ashes series.
CricketFan90s
State Vice-Captain
Gary Kirsten had a very decent record in most of the Test playing Nations but he is Under-rated. However, the fact is he along with Graeme Smith had the best overseas record among all Great Openers from past 30 years.
Prince EWS
Global Moderator
I meant that the conditions weren't exactly apples to apples. I don't mind comparing two different types of players with the same criteria but the criteria has to be the same. I'm not sure you can say the conditions in Australia suited JT as much as the conditions in SA suited Philander.