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Indian One-Day Opener in Sachin's Absence?
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King_Ponting
International Regular
i keep mis spelling his name my mistake. Have to remeber the h in Chopra
honestbharani
Whatever it takes!!!
I think Dhoni is being overhyped. He has played one good innings and looked in trouble against fastish, short of length, incoming deliveries.... And he doesn't look great against bouncers either. Ideally, I would like to see Gambhir and Sehwag opening. Remember Ganguly has 4 matches of suspension to serve....
Sehwag
Gambhir
Kaif
Dravid
Yuvraj
(another hard hitting batter)
Dhoni
bowlers
That should be the line up during Sachin and Sourav's absence.
Sehwag
Gambhir
Kaif
Dravid
Yuvraj
(another hard hitting batter)
Dhoni
bowlers
That should be the line up during Sachin and Sourav's absence.
V Reddy
International Debutant
The first thing i would do is keep the batting order flexible with no constant positions so that all the players get a decent bat in the middle. In my opinion, any batsman who makes it into the team should be capable to bat anywhere in the team even opening as the pitches are so flat nowadays. So i would follow the mantra of the aussies who constantly give oppurtunities to Clarke, Martyn , Lehmann,etc,. to open and so i would keep Sehwag opening constant and also Dravid at 4 or 5 constant so as to give stability and the rr to the team batting order. Ganguly, Kaif, Yuvraj, Mongia, Dhoni can all shift around.
lord_of_darkness
Cricket Web XI Moderator
That sounds about right.. i dont think MS Dhoni can be rated yet.. he has only played a handful of ODIS and from watching those he is an explosive player.. although restricted to playing a handful of good shots.. if he can sort his weakness out he can improve further..
But i dont think Ganguly deserves a shot at openin.. hes failed there constantly.
Arjun
Cricketer Of The Year
Dinesh Mongia: Please NOOOOOO!!!!!!!
MS Dhoni: Freak. Don't expect him to do anything even remotely close to conservative. That's what has worked for him in domestic matches, adn even the A-team. He's unconventional and very unreliable, but that's not a concern- you don't need seven Rahul Dravids in the side. The team needs more hard hitters to complement the partnership builders. Moreover, Dhoni has a second skill to fall back on, though he looks more suspect as a keeper each time.
Yuvraj and Kaif: These two are not being played to their full capacity as specialist batsmen at their current positions. Yuvraj has the potential to be a key batsman in the middle order, be it in hitting big shots or building partnerships- is series against Pakistan prove that. However, being picked only in ODIs for a "finishing" role, he's not been given a fair try as a batsman. He has had to just step on the gas and start hitting shots straightaway, to get a big score in the final overs. His stats are decent for a final-overs batsman, but that's not something you need from a specialist, and it's done his batting absolutely no good.
Kaif has a thankless role to play at seven- either rescue the team from a dreadful spot (he can't do it all the time), or accelerate and go for big shots all the time, which is not his main strength. Both have played their most vital innings in the middle-overs, when they have built partnerships and got big scores. Let them do that instead, while the final-overs big-hitting should be left to non-batsmen.
Lineup:Both suggestions are good, but this can also be tried-
MS Dhoni: Freak. Don't expect him to do anything even remotely close to conservative. That's what has worked for him in domestic matches, adn even the A-team. He's unconventional and very unreliable, but that's not a concern- you don't need seven Rahul Dravids in the side. The team needs more hard hitters to complement the partnership builders. Moreover, Dhoni has a second skill to fall back on, though he looks more suspect as a keeper each time.
Yuvraj and Kaif: These two are not being played to their full capacity as specialist batsmen at their current positions. Yuvraj has the potential to be a key batsman in the middle order, be it in hitting big shots or building partnerships- is series against Pakistan prove that. However, being picked only in ODIs for a "finishing" role, he's not been given a fair try as a batsman. He has had to just step on the gas and start hitting shots straightaway, to get a big score in the final overs. His stats are decent for a final-overs batsman, but that's not something you need from a specialist, and it's done his batting absolutely no good.
Kaif has a thankless role to play at seven- either rescue the team from a dreadful spot (he can't do it all the time), or accelerate and go for big shots all the time, which is not his main strength. Both have played their most vital innings in the middle-overs, when they have built partnerships and got big scores. Let them do that instead, while the final-overs big-hitting should be left to non-batsmen.
Lineup:Both suggestions are good, but this can also be tried-
- Yuvraj at four- practice in building an innings.
- Pick Yadav at seven, Powar at eight- just hit the ball in the final overs.
- Rajesh Pawar- He's in the frame for selection now, and can be a good replacement for Kumble.
godofcricket
State 12th Man
Well theres not a single batsman at the moment who looks suitable for the opening slot....i would rather back ganguly to make a fresh start from that position and regain his confidence, his natural game is attacking so this might just be the right time to prove himself!!! I dont feel dhoni can make runs there, he will struggle against good teams, people have just over estimated him from the start, he isnt really a class.....and to be honest i feel, even when tendulkar is fit, they should change his batting position becuase his game has slowed down abit and for me the best position for him might be one-down. The 2 openers for me are sehwag and Ganguly.
Arjun
Cricketer Of The Year
Ganguly himself has appeared weak at the top of the order. The weaknesses he has had in Tests all these years are now being exploited even in ODI's, particularly since the one-bouncer-an-over rule was brought in. On present form, he doesn't even deserve to be in the ODI side- he's in dreadful form, occasionally ambles between wickets and is dreadful on the field. If they choose a fresh, new opener, they won't lose anything- their tried and tested formula has failed.godofcricket said:
There's Gautam Gambhir, who has done very well for India A, is very good on the field and opens the batting- he's a hard hitter of the ball, an aggressive runner between the wickets. There's Dheeraj Jadhav, a very stodgy opening batsman who can last very long, and is also very effective on the field. One of these two should make the side, particularly Gambhir, given how batting-friendly the pitches are these days, and he's a Test regular.
Arjun
Cricketer Of The Year
Dinesh Mongia is scoring runs and taking wickets for Leicester. Let's just hope he stays there, since they'll benefit a lot more from his heroics than the Indian ODI side.
Irfan Pathan has had a rather good FC season with the bat (but for one lazy shot that got him out), at a good strike rate, but he's struggled with the ball. His run-up is angled (yike!), he's bowling at about 80mph and not getting much swing- hopefully he'll get that back to work later. Much more relevant than Dinesh Mongia. A pity that has-been former international is taking apart the Midd'x attack.
Harbhajan Singh has had a less than ordinary season for Surrey, taking few wickets, for too many. The effects of the Broadshake, maybe? Given he's India's only spin option, that's dreadful. Anyway, if he's got a spin partner, he may do a lot better, because he's no one-man army.
Sourav Ganguly's horror season has some relief with a 50.
In a club tourney in Kolkata, MS Dhoni cracked a double-century in 126 balls, then followed it up with a century in 44 balls. Although he's got both at the opening position, don't let this freakish style devoid of technique and shot-selection fool you- the Indian side doesn't need him to open the innings. He'd be more relevant at five. He now wants to move to struggling Elite side Bengal, and would help himself by staying at J'khand. They're an up-and-coming team from the lower league, with decent talent, and one power player, and may be a surprise package. With Arun Lal as coach, they can do a lot better.
Irfan Pathan has had a rather good FC season with the bat (but for one lazy shot that got him out), at a good strike rate, but he's struggled with the ball. His run-up is angled (yike!), he's bowling at about 80mph and not getting much swing- hopefully he'll get that back to work later. Much more relevant than Dinesh Mongia. A pity that has-been former international is taking apart the Midd'x attack.
Harbhajan Singh has had a less than ordinary season for Surrey, taking few wickets, for too many. The effects of the Broadshake, maybe? Given he's India's only spin option, that's dreadful. Anyway, if he's got a spin partner, he may do a lot better, because he's no one-man army.
Sourav Ganguly's horror season has some relief with a 50.
In a club tourney in Kolkata, MS Dhoni cracked a double-century in 126 balls, then followed it up with a century in 44 balls. Although he's got both at the opening position, don't let this freakish style devoid of technique and shot-selection fool you- the Indian side doesn't need him to open the innings. He'd be more relevant at five. He now wants to move to struggling Elite side Bengal, and would help himself by staying at J'khand. They're an up-and-coming team from the lower league, with decent talent, and one power player, and may be a surprise package. With Arun Lal as coach, they can do a lot better.
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ramkumar_gr
U19 Vice-Captain
My choice would be Ganguly
The obvious choice would be ganguly. Or if they dont find any spot for JP Yadav in the 11, may be he could end up opening the batting. Anyway JP Yadav has to find his place in the 11. Otherwise it would be a grave injustice done to him
Ram
The obvious choice would be ganguly. Or if they dont find any spot for JP Yadav in the 11, may be he could end up opening the batting. Anyway JP Yadav has to find his place in the 11. Otherwise it would be a grave injustice done to him
Ram
Arjun
Cricketer Of The Year
The Ganguly camp is getting larger, but I would still say the ideal choice would be a Test opener. You mentioned JP Yadav- he could make the number seven spot and bowl seam-up, first-change. All these years, he's managed himself well as an all-rounder for MP and Railways, unlike many promising young all-rounders, who have now assumed the role of innocuous specialists. Moreover, he's bowled well as strike bowler for his FC team, so you can pick him in place of the redundant seventh batsman- he can then play his shots freely in the final overs. His lack of pace is obvious, but you can't expect the same bowler who bowled in the 110's more than two years ago to become the top wicket-taker this season, and he compensates for that with movement off the pitch and variations. That said, Ramesh Powar should also be in the XI, as Harbhajan's spin partner. He's second only to Yadav in the wickets tally and is also a hard-hitting batsman, who can come in at number 8 and make his presence count in the final overs.ramkumar_gr said:
superkingdave
Hall of Fame Member
Come on, he's only played one and a half matches!Arjun said:
Arjun
Cricketer Of The Year
He had a below-par second innings of the Bangalore Test, was awful in the ODI's (3 wickets in 5 matches!) and his lack of form seems to have followed him here. I don't know how many more matches he has to play, but hopefully he'll be back to top form.superkingdave said:
superkingdave
Hall of Fame Member
im not referring to his India form - you said he "has had a less than ordinary season for Surrey" and he's only played a game and a half
ramkumar_gr
U19 Vice-Captain
Not many players have been so consistent as JP Yadav with both bat and ball. He has done that against quality oppositions. My point is the selectors cannot leave him from the team just because there is no berth in the middle order. I see kaif as the vulnerable and the weakest link in the team. All our recent losses can be attributed to a reduced-to-nothing kaif. JP Yadav would be a far better choice than Kaif. Even he boasts a better FC average than Kaif.Arjun said:
honestbharani
Whatever it takes!!!
I am not sure if the problem lies with the players themselves..... I think, India, as a team lacks the right strategy and the right plans and no matter who is picked, will continue to lavish in the bottom unless those plans and strategies are changed.
