Indian ODI team discussion thread

[Indian god]

Well ....... I agree with you pathan you come up the order , but I think one of the specialsit batsmen should stay till the 50th over , like y singh or kaif.

 

[Arjun]

Nobody has commented on the lack of power in the Indian batting. Any tournament-winning team could have managed 96 runs in the last 15 overs. The West Indians can even pull off 80 runs in the last ten overs. Why can't India? They seem to give up well before the end of the match and instead play out the full 50 overs. Except for the likes of Kaif, who try to power the team home- but Kaif lacks power. Far too often, the batsmen are asked to either play for a big score or just give the man at the other end the strike. It's time they start attacking more often- chalking out specific overs in any match to attack, bowlers to target, batsmen to do the job. They don't need more batsmen- they need more power.

 

[Arjun]

The Indians are not doing well at all without an all-rounder, so they could use Bangar's skills and power until they find new, young contenders. QUOTE]

All they need 2 do is 2 promote IKP to number 7th slot. If confidence is shown then IKP will prove 2 be the best allrounder India ever had.

Let him try his tricks for Baroda and become a full Ranji season hero like JP Yadav. He's not seasoned enough to play for India.

 

[honestbharani]

I know this is not India's biggest problem, but for the record, Dinesh Kaarthick scored 66 off 50 balls in the 20-20 game yesterday on a track where scoring run a ball would be an achievement. And he stayed not out and took his team home. He hit the first six of the tourney as well.

 

[Arjun]

I know this is not India's biggest problem, but for the record, Dinesh Kaarthick scored 66 off 50 balls in the 20-20 game yesterday on a track where scoring run a ball would be an achievement. And he stayed not out and took his team home. He hit the first six of the tourney as well.

That's good for him, but that's not how an all-rounder should bat. The Indian team needs a big-hitting all-rounder, not one who bats like Mohammed Kaif. Besides, Dhoni played a match-winning knock for his team in his own characteristic style, but also played some neat shots on the way, guiding the ball behind the stumps. He batted the way one should in such a match- something missing so far in the series. Then again, Parthiv was standing behind the stumps.

 

[Dasa]

That's good for him, but that's not how an all-rounder should bat. The Indian team needs a big-hitting all-rounder, not one who bats like Mohammed Kaif. Besides, Dhoni played a match-winning knock for his team in his own characteristic style, but also played some neat shots on the way, guiding the ball behind the stumps. He batted the way one should in such a match- something missing so far in the series. Then again, Parthiv was standing behind the stumps.

What difference is it how someone bats if they get results? So he's not a big hitter, he still made 66 at a very good rate!

 

[Arjun]

not really. In the NZ series before the WC, he got a couple of others, including Dravid and Agarkar, run out. I just watched the highlights on Star.

Agarkar himself is an erratic runner. Dravid also gets run-out once in a while, and with Yuvraj/Kaif at the other end. Besides, tongas were the preferred means of transport when that series was played, and now you don't find any.

Bangar may be used best as a final-overs hitter, like Justin Kemp or Jacob Oram. Having bowled in bulk for Railways for long, he can be used as a stock fifth bowler, and being an old-ball bowler, he has one advantage over Irfan and Joginder. That's a role exclusively in ODI's for which he's good enough in this team.

 

[Arjun]

well, bangar definitely doesnt deserve a chance until jp yadav gets one, and for that matter, until guys like ramesh powar get one ...

Bangar and JP Yadav combine well, as batsmen and bowlers. In tandem, they played a winning hand in many matches in which they played together.

By the way, don't you think Indian teams are often picked on the basis of individual skills alone? They don't seem to think about combinations that work well. These may be the best batsmen and bowlers in the team, but if they don't combine well, it's of little use. Rather than pick the two best openers, pick an opening combination that works best. Ditto new-ball combination, support bowlers for the strikers and a hard-running batsman who supports the frontliners. Not to mention, eleven quality fielders.

Then look at teams like South Africa and New Zealand. They don't pick their eleven best batsmen/bowlers. They pick a team for every task. The Indian selectors can model their team on those picked for SA/NZ and get better results. They need to sort out the following issues (as Ian Chappell suggeested in a column published today) sooner than later, if they are serious about winning the 2007 World Cup-

• Fully functional fielding unit
• Power-playing all-rounder
• Attacking fast bowler

These are risks worth taking. They've got nothing to gain if they play safe, and nothing to lose if they take these risks and back them fully.

 

[Arjun]

What difference is it how someone bats if they get results? So he's not a big hitter, he still made 66 at a very good rate!

So did Mohammed Kaif in some other match. But does that make him an Indian answer to Flintoff? The task is still not performed. It's obvious in the way he has performed so far. Dinesh Karthik is just a down-market version of Mohammed Kaif, if you've seen him in action. What he did may be good for AI, but not for the Indian team.

 

[Resha]

I think that's a major problem with the Indian team, what Arjun said. They have the best batting lineup in the world...but put them together and you get much less than what you should be getting, considering talent, potential and just plain stats.

Btw, I think Mohammed Kaif is one of the bestest Indian players EVER! *swoons* He's a real team man, and maybe I'm just clinging on to the past and stuff here, but I can't ever forget what he and Yuvraj Singh did in the Natwest series against England a few years ago. I think he's one of the most stable, dependable players India has.

 

[Swervy]

I think that's a major problem with the Indian team, what Arjun said. They have the best batting lineup in the world...but put them together and you get much less than what you should be getting, considering talent, potential and just plain stats.

so one has to question whether they do actually have the best batting line up in the world!!!

 

[honestbharani]

Agarkar himself is an erratic runner. Dravid also gets run-out once in a while, and with Yuvraj/Kaif at the other end. Besides, tongas were the preferred means of transport when that series was played, and now you don't find any.

Bangar may be used best as a final-overs hitter, like Justin Kemp or Jacob Oram. Having bowled in bulk for Railways for long, he can be used as a stock fifth bowler, and being an old-ball bowler, he has one advantage over Irfan and Joginder. That's a role exclusively in ODI's for which he's good enough in this team.

In that match, it was clearly Bangar's fault.

 

[honestbharani]

so one has to question whether they do actually have the best batting line up in the world!!!

on paper, yes. Unfortunately, that is not where cricket is played, is it?

 

[ramkumar_gr]

Nobody has commented on the lack of power in the Indian batting. Any tournament-winning team could have managed 96 runs in the last 15 overs. The West Indians can even pull off 80 runs in the last ten overs. Why can't India? They seem to give up well before the end of the match and instead play out the full 50 overs. Except for the likes of Kaif, who try to power the team home- but Kaif lacks power. Far too often, the batsmen are asked to either play for a big score or just give the man at the other end the strike. It's time they start attacking more often- chalking out specific overs in any match to attack, bowlers to target, batsmen to do the job. They don't need more batsmen- they need more power.

And the biggest joke is the selection of Kaif to the test team. What credentials does he have. He has got a very ordinary average of 36+ in FC cricket and his record in the recent season is near to pathetic in which he averages less that 30. But the likes of Dinesh Mongia can challenge it (averaging in the early 20s).

I really wonder on what basis he gets selected to a Test team. I can name 50 better batsmen than him. A selection which does not deserve any merit.

Doing this they have ignored the claims of Sriram,Dheeraj Jhadav,Badani,Venugopala Rao, Neeraj Patel, Kiran Powar, etc.etc.

 

[Deja moo]

Whats up with Rayudu these days ? Letting his talents go down the drain...getting banned by match referees...

 

[ramkumar_gr]

Whats up with Rayudu these days ? Letting his talents go down the drain...getting banned by match referees...

did not have a great domestic season last time. He does not deserve a chance.

 

[marc71178]

That's good for him, but that's not how an all-rounder should bat.

An all-rounder should bat in the way that secures the most for the side.

 

[Resha]

so one has to question whether they do actually have the best batting line up in the world!!!

One does; and we look at the stats, and everything says that they do have one of the best batting line-ups in the world...but they sure don't show it. xD Maybe it was all past. I hope not.

 

[marc71178]

But do we look beyond the stats and watch what actually happens on the pitch?

A couple of years ago I'd have been tempted to call them the best, but IMO the Australian line-up is stronger.

 

[Arjun]

One does; and we look at the stats, and everything says that they do have one of the best batting line-ups in the world...but they sure don't show it. xD Maybe it was all past. I hope not.

They don't COMBINE well enough to win tournaments. You can, as cynics say, weaken the batting lineup a little, and you will get better results, if they combine well.