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Indian Domestic Season 2011/2012
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honestbharani
Whatever it takes!!!
TN bowled out Haryana for 200 in the 3rd innings and were left needing 146 off 13 overs. And got within 3 runs of it.. Amazing knocks by Dinesh Karthik and Vijay.. Great effort that!!
Manee
Cricketer Of The Year
6 wickets for Yo Mahesh, good effort. Shame he hasn't retained the speed of his U19 days like Abu Nechim has.
Furball
Evil Scotsman
Completely agree. If RP Singh was a 95% guaranteed failure, Irfan Pathan was a 100% guaranteed failure.
In other news, Ravinder Jadeja scores a triple century in the Ranji Trophy.
Arjun
Cricketer Of The Year
Goa dropped Asnodkar for two games and have come out unscathed from that bit, but the same can't be said of Orissa. They dropped captain Halladhar Das, who turned up drunk for a meeting, for the whole season, and were promptly squashed by Punjab, even when Harbhajan wasn't in the wickets.
TN seem to have taken a cue from Goa's mistake, and nearly pulled off that impressive chase. It's sad that Amit Mishra isn't running through teams; he's significantly better than the current Indian spinners, who will be found out in Australia. Loss of form, if not omission, is quite disappointing, both of Harbhajan and Mishra. Back to TN, they have a very good limited-overs base, and I wouldn't be too displeased if at least six TN players make an Indian ODI or T20I side.
Trust Irfan to return to Ranji when dropped or ignored, and gobble up a domestic batting side. I'd prefer to wait for Irfan to win the Ranji Trophy for Baroda, to him getting picked mid-season and no action, while Baroda sinks again without him.
We tend to under-rate Rohit Sharma way too much. What is it that he needs to do to prove himself? He's got a domestic average over 60, in addition to his IPL success. He's got all the shots to play at number four for India (not the dreaded number six) and regularly gets you big hundreds, and is also a very good fielder, but because of one false shot, or one failure, we seem to slap unnecessary tags on him. Compare that with Ravindra Jadeja, who's not even half the batsman he is, but seems to be lucky and much-loved. What is it that Rohit cannot do that Jadeja can? Besides, what is it that Jadeja has that Abhishek Nayar doesn't? Nayar is by no means an inferior player, and being a medium-pacer, he can add more to the team, as a second quality spinner can then play. Instead, he was humiliated in his only ODI appearances, while Jadeja was pampered and groomed like a prince.
Hyderabad is a complete and total mess.
Over the border, Karnataka are going strong. It was really nice of Rahul Dravid to turn up for his state team's game. It's good to see one of India's greatest players respect the Ranji Trophy, which was losing its relevance in the IPL age.
Welcome to the Elite League, Rajasthan. Yes, you have the right strategy for the league, of raking up a huge first-innings total and sitting on a lead to pinch points. Their luck will run out eventually. Pankaj Singh still holds his own on flat decks (and uses them to good effect with the bat) but Deepak Chahar, who shot to fame with that emphatic demolition of that messed up Hyderabad side, has struggled again. Let's just hope he doesn't come anywhere near contention for an India berth- strangely, he actually was, once.
Baroda, Karnataka, Mumbai and by a long shot UP look the part for the semis- until they lose Raina and Praveen.
TN seem to have taken a cue from Goa's mistake, and nearly pulled off that impressive chase. It's sad that Amit Mishra isn't running through teams; he's significantly better than the current Indian spinners, who will be found out in Australia. Loss of form, if not omission, is quite disappointing, both of Harbhajan and Mishra. Back to TN, they have a very good limited-overs base, and I wouldn't be too displeased if at least six TN players make an Indian ODI or T20I side.
Trust Irfan to return to Ranji when dropped or ignored, and gobble up a domestic batting side. I'd prefer to wait for Irfan to win the Ranji Trophy for Baroda, to him getting picked mid-season and no action, while Baroda sinks again without him.
We tend to under-rate Rohit Sharma way too much. What is it that he needs to do to prove himself? He's got a domestic average over 60, in addition to his IPL success. He's got all the shots to play at number four for India (not the dreaded number six) and regularly gets you big hundreds, and is also a very good fielder, but because of one false shot, or one failure, we seem to slap unnecessary tags on him. Compare that with Ravindra Jadeja, who's not even half the batsman he is, but seems to be lucky and much-loved. What is it that Rohit cannot do that Jadeja can? Besides, what is it that Jadeja has that Abhishek Nayar doesn't? Nayar is by no means an inferior player, and being a medium-pacer, he can add more to the team, as a second quality spinner can then play. Instead, he was humiliated in his only ODI appearances, while Jadeja was pampered and groomed like a prince.
Hyderabad is a complete and total mess.
Over the border, Karnataka are going strong. It was really nice of Rahul Dravid to turn up for his state team's game. It's good to see one of India's greatest players respect the Ranji Trophy, which was losing its relevance in the IPL age.
Welcome to the Elite League, Rajasthan. Yes, you have the right strategy for the league, of raking up a huge first-innings total and sitting on a lead to pinch points. Their luck will run out eventually. Pankaj Singh still holds his own on flat decks (and uses them to good effect with the bat) but Deepak Chahar, who shot to fame with that emphatic demolition of that messed up Hyderabad side, has struggled again. Let's just hope he doesn't come anywhere near contention for an India berth- strangely, he actually was, once.
Baroda, Karnataka, Mumbai and by a long shot UP look the part for the semis- until they lose Raina and Praveen.
Arjun
Cricketer Of The Year
I do agree, Pathan shouldn't have been picked in England, but at the end of the season, a rich haul of wickets and runs (and a team trophy) should see him back soon. He's still getting wickets, even at a reduced pace, while the faster Umesh Yadav picked up a single, solitary wicket and leaks runs all over. Once he's fully fit, taking loads of wickets, scoring runs and winning matches, he should be back. India seem to manage with medium-pacers like Praveen and Munaf, who were never dropped due to lack of pace.
Arjun
Cricketer Of The Year
Yo Mahesh still gets wickets, which should make him a decent contender. He should be a starter in the T20I lineup, as he's currently the best active seam bowler in T20- the next best being Aravind, Ablish and Anand Rajan.
Outswinger@Pace
International 12th Man
8 wickets for Pathan on his return, not bad at all. Dare I hope?
Manee, while I don't agree with your point about pace , your general point about lack of rhythm may be true. Pathan's problem two seasons ago wasn't just pace, but the fact that he wasn't getting through the crease well enough and the bowling looked out of sorts.
It's good to remember that Pathan was originally a medium-fast swing bowler (averaging mid 120s) and that he built up his bowling gameplan in accordance. I am not a huge fan of the Chappellesque way of tinkering with players' natural attributes halfway through their careers.
This is probably his best test bowling moment. Notice the speeds he clocks there and the prodigious swing he gets.
AWTA! Never a good idea to rock a smooth sailing boat and disrupt people's (and a side's) rhythm.
Spot on in your later post as well. Cricketing merit rather than pace, eye catching appeal or being the "good guy" must always be the criteria of selection.
Outswinger@Pace
International 12th Man
Among other good things in the season so far, it's quite heartening to see Rohit Sharma underline his worth.
There can be little doubt about the man's batting ability and along with Rahane, Pujara and Kohli, he is a potential test class batsman. Temperament is something which good sportsmen tend to learn with exposure and if they don't international sports is a very cruel environment indeed.
It's perhaps time that these four should be played in real cricket - test matches - with a well-designed rotation policy. Just have an uneasy feeling that if the promising youngsters aren't groomed properly and suddenly you have the mass retirements of three great batsmen hitting you, it's going to go downward rather quickly. With proper selectorial timing and foresight such a situation can be avoided.
There can be little doubt about the man's batting ability and along with Rahane, Pujara and Kohli, he is a potential test class batsman. Temperament is something which good sportsmen tend to learn with exposure and if they don't international sports is a very cruel environment indeed.
It's perhaps time that these four should be played in real cricket - test matches - with a well-designed rotation policy. Just have an uneasy feeling that if the promising youngsters aren't groomed properly and suddenly you have the mass retirements of three great batsmen hitting you, it's going to go downward rather quickly. With proper selectorial timing and foresight such a situation can be avoided.
Furball
Evil Scotsman
Do you really have the confidence in the Indian management to do that given that the number 6 spot still hasn't been properly filled 3 years after Ganguly retired?
honestbharani
Whatever it takes!!!
It would be good to see all of Rohit, Rahane and Kohli get a go in the next game but don't think they would rest the entire triumvirate.
If it was upto me, I would rest Dravid and Laxman and play all 3 of these guys with Sachin.
If it was upto me, I would rest Dravid and Laxman and play all 3 of these guys with Sachin.
Arjun
Cricketer Of The Year
Lots of interesting articles this time.
It's raining Ranji triples- Sid Monga tells us about how a certain event in the domestic scene triggered a flow of triple centuries, the role of triple centuries in the game and how a certain triple century of late seems redundant. Akash Chopra, however, begs to differ.
Akash Chopra released a book on Rajasthan's triumph in the Ranji Super League. While that 'win' may be considered an exaggeration, he does make a point on how cramped the domestic calendar is, and how a serious re-jig is needed. The Ranji Trophy comes right after the redundant SMAT T20 event, and the Duleep Trophy has been rendered redundant by its new, knock-out format. The selectors, sadly, seem to ignore the domestic scene and check other avenues for national selection.
KP Appanna has high hopes, and he's started this season on a good note. Hopefully he'll finish two more seasons and get in the race for the national squad, or at least a regular berth in his IPL team. The IPL has been criticised for the big bucks changing hands, but experience againts top national players is something it offers- that Ranji cannot.
It's raining Ranji triples- Sid Monga tells us about how a certain event in the domestic scene triggered a flow of triple centuries, the role of triple centuries in the game and how a certain triple century of late seems redundant. Akash Chopra, however, begs to differ.
Akash Chopra released a book on Rajasthan's triumph in the Ranji Super League. While that 'win' may be considered an exaggeration, he does make a point on how cramped the domestic calendar is, and how a serious re-jig is needed. The Ranji Trophy comes right after the redundant SMAT T20 event, and the Duleep Trophy has been rendered redundant by its new, knock-out format. The selectors, sadly, seem to ignore the domestic scene and check other avenues for national selection.
KP Appanna has high hopes, and he's started this season on a good note. Hopefully he'll finish two more seasons and get in the race for the national squad, or at least a regular berth in his IPL team. The IPL has been criticised for the big bucks changing hands, but experience againts top national players is something it offers- that Ranji cannot.
Arjun
Cricketer Of The Year
Ganguly could bowl. It's a different matter that he chose not to. But these three (or four) just can't.
Six is too low a spot for any of them, and too tough for a specialist batsman. They should aim for number three or four instead. The spot at six has been left vanat simply because it's too difficult for a specialist batsman, and very thankless. Let it go to someone more useful without the bat. It's not funny when the only time that batsman is needed is when the team is in dire straits- hardly good for someone trying to cement a place in the side. Jonty Rhodes, a perennial #6, says that so low down the order, you need to add more to your place in the side.
Spark
Global Moderator
Not quite across this concept that you can't pick a specialist bat at six. England don't, India didn't during their time at the top, South Africa don't, we didn't at our best (we did with Symonds, which IMO was a mistake). Of course it helps, but six batsmen > five batsmen plus one all-rounder who doesn't really justify his place on bowling or batting alone. Seriously shortens your batting without providing that much with the ball.
Cevno
Hall of Fame Member
Yeah agreed. Especially, if the extra bowling is at part time level.
Cevno
Hall of Fame Member
Watched Unmukt Chand for the first time live in FC today. Impressed by what i saw. Has a pretty good technique and played some classic shots through the off side in not the easiest conditions with the ball swinging.
Meanwhile, Mandeep singh also made a 85 not out in a Poor overall effort by Punjab. Has had some start to his FC Career now. In other matches, Manoj Tiwary continuing his stellar form and made a 267 out of 496, while Manish Pandey smacked a terrific 200 not out and another ton also by Tanmay Srivastava.
Meanwhile, Mandeep singh also made a 85 not out in a Poor overall effort by Punjab. Has had some start to his FC Career now. In other matches, Manoj Tiwary continuing his stellar form and made a 267 out of 496, while Manish Pandey smacked a terrific 200 not out and another ton also by Tanmay Srivastava.