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Indian domestic season 2005-06

Arjun

Cricketer Of The Year
Pratyush said:
Because he doesnt get the opportunity to see that much of the Domestic cricket and he, I believe like me, likes to talk after seeing stuff much more than reading about them.

Jono will assure you I am quite right in this assessment of the guy. :D
Maybe you have a point, but there are some eager reporters who report things as they are, and you'll discover new things that neither CricInfo, nor the Indian selectors know. VR Singh may have been just another medium-pacer in India, but those who have actually seen him know how fast and fiery he is.
 

Arjun

Cricketer Of The Year
Bhandari bowls a very high full-toss to Dinesh Karthik, who slices it to a fielder in the inner ring, getting caught– and that was not even called a no-ball!
 

Arjun

Cricketer Of The Year
Your comments on Yusuf Pathan? He's got a decent economy rate so far, but hasn't picked up a wicket yet. He's a hard hitter when he bats. Can't comment on his fieldign, since I haven't seen enough.
 

Pratters

Cricket, Lovely Cricket
Arjun said:
Maybe you have a point, but there are some eager reporters who report things as they are, and you'll discover new things that neither CricInfo, nor the Indian selectors know.
Dont get me wrong. I am a huge fan of first class cricket. But I find it difficult to comment when I dont get much on tv. I go to matches when I have time and when they are held in the city.

Any way I am going to talk much more this season on the domestic game.

VR Singh may have been just another medium-pacer in India, but those who have actually seen him know how fast and fiery he is.
I know these players are quality. I happened to bowl at a few first class Delhi players at the nets once and they were hitting my leggis so easily. A player did say good ball on a googly but I know the players are very good. :)

Cheers.
 

Arjun

Cricketer Of The Year
Three wickets in the space of a few overs....that's just opened up a weakness we have seen in the Indian side– they don't strike hard enough in the final overs. The promotion of Vikram Singh was a strange one– his style is typical swing-and-miss and he missed, getting out leg-before to Piyush Chawla. Oh brother...Dinesh Mongia is bowling. Just three wides and no no-balls. That's a good thing.
 

Pratters

Cricket, Lovely Cricket
Arjun said:
Your comments on Yusuf Pathan? He's got a decent economy rate so far, but hasn't picked up a wicket yet. He's a hard hitter when he bats. Can't comment on his fieldign, since I haven't seen enough.
I have to see more of the guy to pass a good judgement. I have been quite satisfied with a few of the talent I have seen so far. Piyush Chawla for instance has bowled using a good mind and variety.

I would love to see him in a first class game flighting the ball a bit more though.
 

Arjun

Cricketer Of The Year
Pratyush said:
I have to see more of the guy to pass a good judgement. I have been quite satisfied with a few of the talent I have seen so far. Piyush Chawla for instance has bowled using a good mind and variety.

I would love to see him in a first class game flighting the ball a bit more though.
Let's just see how well Piyush Chawla does as a full-time leggie. He's only bowled in bits and pieces for India U-19, and he's often batted in the middle-order. He may be a good find for Uttar Pradesh, who will be a team to watch in the coming season. Sreesanth should definitely make the India-A side.
 

Pratters

Cricket, Lovely Cricket
Few impressions after the first half of India A vs India B

Sreesanth was very impressive. Swung the ball, kept a good line. A promising player no doubt.

Raina - always have backed him, from much earlier than the guy made the team. He showed great composure in building his inning. Played defensively in the beginning, almost looked like he was in 2nd or 3rd gear. He improved the strike rate later and set India A to reach a big total.

Laxman - the guy is one of the most gifted. No one would doubt that. It was silly for the commentators Arun Lal, Srinath(one of the poorer fielders) say Laxman should not make the one day team because of poor fielding and running between the wickets. The guy makes the runs in boundaries and his strike rate doesnt suffer. Now if only he could turn from Very Very Special to Very Very Dependable.

Ranadeb Bose - Couldnt maintain a proper length in the first portion of his spell and the batsmen punished him for that. A bit more accurcay ensured wickets in the end. Where is the discipline?

The umpiring - pathetic really with down the leg side balls not being given wides, wicket being given off an apparent no ball. I dont know if its too much to expect high quality umpiring in domestic matches but I expected at least a bit better umpiring.

In the end India A managed a lower score than they should have after a huge partnership between Raina and Laxman but it still will not be easy for India B to get the runs.
 

Pratters

Cricket, Lovely Cricket
Arjun said:
Let's just see how well Piyush Chawla does as a full-time leggie. He's only bowled in bits and pieces for India U-19, and he's often batted in the middle-order. He may be a good find for Uttar Pradesh, who will be a team to watch in the coming season. Sreesanth should definitely make the India-A side.
Jack might be able to tell us more on the guy ;)
 

Jono

Virat Kohli (c)
Pratyush said:
Because he doesnt get the opportunity to see that much of the Domestic cricket and he, I believe like me, likes to talk after seeing stuff much more than reading about them.

Jono will assure you I am quite right in this assessment of the guy. :D
Haha yeah that's pretty much it. I would love to be able to watch Indian domestic cricket, but as I live in Australia I just don't know much about it. I spent the last hour to hour and a half looking up some players I haven't heard too much about that you guys mentioned on cricinfo.

I generally don't like to comment on players and their potential or talent without watching them, thus why I didn't really say anything against Gambhir other than it seems that he didn't take this opportunity which would have been perfect for him (but he'll likely get another chance in the final I guess). I'll be posting in this thread more though, but mainly I just read the regular Indian posters' opinions of players, and when I get a chance to see them (Either on cable here in Aus or on Willow TV which I'll definitely do if India/SL, India/Pak or India/Eng isn't shown here) I'll make my opinions more known.

Thanks Pratyush :happy:
 
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SJS

Hall of Fame Member
I am with Jono and Pratyush on not commenting on players one hasnt seen ENOUGH OF. (Players from eras gone by are another matter and one does rely on knowledgeable writers who have actually seen them). There is no point in trying to be an "expert"/a critique/a reviewer based on what others have said. In that case refering people to the source of the original caomment and letting them form their own opinions is enough.

The comments by the "new-media-babes'n'boys" who have mushroomed in India with over a dozen news channels are hilarious. But , of course, one could take them seriously and sound all knowing or fall flat on one's face a few months later. But tghen who is watching a few months later :D

Yesterday one TV news correspondent reporting on VRV Singh (and other bowlers in the Challenger) built him (them) up to the extent to say that it looks as if India's pace bowling vows and days of dried up pools of fast bowlers is over.

You can decide what to do as an India supporter, smile indulgently, jump up in glee, tear your hair at such dumbos being allowed to comment on premier channels, shout at the missus in the kitchen and break the earth-shattering news or rush to the CW and start a new thread proclaiming to be Nostradamus :p
 

SJS

Hall of Fame Member
Pratyush said:
Laxman - the guy is one of the most gifted. No one would doubt that. It was silly for the commentators Arun Lal, Srinath(one of the poorer fielders) say Laxman should not make the one day team because of poor fielding and running between the wickets. The guy makes the runs in boundaries and his strike rate doesnt suffer. Now if only he could turn from Very Very Special to Very Very Dependable.
Absolutely.

"Bhed chaal" ("sheep walk" denoting the habit of the sheep to follow the one who takes the lead and moves in one direction) hai, this continuous criticism of Laxmans fielding, running between wickets and footwork. Some one started it and all those, who find it difficult to criticise the near-great batsman now that he has been applauded by the top cricketers in the world, have joined the cacophony.

Not that there isnt a grain of truth in the first two accusations. The point is, however, why Laxman. Isnt Ganguly the same - in fact far worse. Isnt Kumble the same - much worse. Havent most top Indian players been the same for so long.

Pakistan doesnt drop Inzy because of these since his batting makes up - more than makes up.

We should question Laxmans consistency if anything and deal with him fairly which all of us fans, media, arm-chair-critiques have failed to do.

By the way, in yesterday's challenger cup match there were two centuries. Laxman's (110 off 121 balls with 12 fours) and Uthappa's (116 in 93 balls with 19 fours and 2 sixes).

If you take away the fours and sixes. Laxman scored 62 runs(all run) in 109 deliveries - strike rate 57.8.

....and Robin Uthappa ran/scored 28 runs in 72 deliveries at a st rate of 38.9.

You can look at stats in many ways and draw your own conclusions. That Uthappa is a better stroke player and more suitable for the one day format since he deals in fours and sixes which Laxman finds more difficult to come by or that Laxman has the knack to place more deliveries for runs, through the fielders and against better attacks, better fielding sides and more precises field placings, he is more likely to deliver.

It surely tells that Laxman does run. The problem comes when a partner expects him to run like Kaif, which he cant.

Also it explains why Laxman's record is invariably better against better sides.

This is not to say that laxman should automatically find a place in the Indian ODI side but to make a plea that lets not follow the proverbial sheep and be fair to this gifted gentleman cricketer which we, Indians, have failed to do collectively.
 

Jono

Virat Kohli (c)
Holy cow India B belted India B. What a knock by Uthappa. It looks like he absolutely slaughtered the bowling, along with the other batsman that followed him.

The final shall be interesting. India Seniors vs. India B.
 

honestbharani

Whatever it takes!!!
Pratyush said:
I have to see more of the guy to pass a good judgement. I have been quite satisfied with a few of the talent I have seen so far. Piyush Chawla for instance has bowled using a good mind and variety.

I would love to see him in a first class game flighting the ball a bit more though.
yeah, and I would like to see him develop an actual leg break. I don't ask for turn like Warne, but an actual legbreak would add even more variety to his bowling.
 

honestbharani

Whatever it takes!!!
Jono said:
Holy cow India B belted India B. What a knock by Uthappa. It looks like he absolutely slaughtered the bowling, along with the other batsman that followed him.

The final shall be interesting. India Seniors vs. India B.
I wonder how India B managed to belt India B. :D
 

honestbharani

Whatever it takes!!!
Can anyone tell me how the points system worked? I don't know if the India Seniors side got the bonus point against India B two days ago. But if that wasn't the case, why are the India Seniors in the finals? I think this is how the points table looked at the end of the game yesterday...


India B 5 points
India 4 points
INdia A 4 points


So, in that situation, shouldn't India A go through, since they beat India seniors in their only match against each other?
 

Arjun

Cricketer Of The Year
Jono said:
Haha yeah that's pretty much it. I would love to be able to watch Indian domestic cricket, but as I live in Australia I just don't know much about it. I spent the last hour to hour and a half looking up some players I haven't heard too much about that you guys mentioned on cricinfo.

I generally don't like to comment on players and their potential or talent without watching them, thus why I didn't really say anything against Gambhir other than it seems that he didn't take this opportunity which would have been perfect for him (but he'll likely get another chance in the final I guess). I'll be posting in this thread more though, but mainly I just read the regular Indian posters' opinions of players, and when I get a chance to see them (Either on cable here in Aus or on Willow TV which I'll definitely do if India/SL, India/Pak or India/Eng isn't shown here) I'll make my opinions more known.

Thanks Pratyush :happy:
You don't have to watch everything– just read from those who have. I follow what's happening on the scorecards, but also get inputs from those who have been watching from up close. Not just those I know personally, but also those who write for papers or websites. Tell all other Indian fans of what's happening. As long as there's enough interest, those who run the TV or radio channels will start looking at the domestic scene.

Read posts by Aussie, Kiwi or English fans. They have so much to talk about their domestic cricket events. Why can't Indian fans? You want your answers, but you will have to ask your questions first.
 

Arjun

Cricketer Of The Year
honestbharani said:
Can anyone tell me how the points system worked? I don't know if the India Seniors side got the bonus point against India B two days ago. But if that wasn't the case, why are the India Seniors in the finals? I think this is how the points table looked at the end of the game yesterday...


India B 5 points
India 4 points
INdia A 4 points


So, in that situation, shouldn't India A go through, since they beat India seniors in their only match against each other?
They sneaked in that net-run-rate ranking.
 

Arjun

Cricketer Of The Year
What are your comments on Robin Uthappa's explosive century? From 61, he took just 14 balls to reach his century, ripping through one over by Nadeem and smashing Raina's all over Mohali. This shouldn't get him into the Indian team immediately, but it's a good thing to happen for the match nd the scene as a whole. These young bowlers have been hammerred, and that will happen more than a few times at the top level, so they have to be prepared for it. Now they know. Moreover, that blast should put away this nonsense of using part-timers for more than one over.
 

Arjun

Cricketer Of The Year
Zaheer is on fire. He's got the dangerman Robin Uthappa, then Sriram, then an away-going delivery to snatch an edge off Dhawan as Dhoni caught this one. The India-B side is in trouble now, having lost five for 91, including the dangerous Yusuf Pathan, who scored some 20-odd in just 19 delivries, including four hits to the fence.
 

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