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Indian Cricket ... what next?

Pratters

Pratters

Cricket, Lovely Cricket
Sudeep said:
Why do we need new openers? That's one slot that I don't think we need to change. Sehwag and Sachin in ODIs and Sehwag and Gambhir in Tests is the best combination IMO. No need for a change there.
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In One Dayers Ganguly can be tried for tests for opening as he has an excellent track record as an opener. One could argue that we dont need to break such a good one day oening pair as Sehwag and Tendulkar but Sehwag and Sachin opening and Ganguly failing at 3/4/5 isnt the ideal scenario.

In tests, Gambhir cant be dropped right now He has to do more in the future though. Try him for some more time and keep Chopra in there as well in the running.
 
Sanz

Sanz

Hall of Fame Member
Ganguly is clearly struggling, a break will do him good and it will give India a chance to try out couple of options in his place say Kaif or other test claibre batsmen (I dont have a clue on the domestic circuit ), Please leave Gambhir out of all this. He is a fine player and a long term prospect and if we drop him now, it will shatter his confidence like Chopra's.

It will also give a chance to Test Dravid as a Captain for a longer period of time. Ganguly can work on his batting during all this if Dravid does reasonable with the captaincy and Ganguly fails with the bat in domestic level, end of story his career is over, If Dravid doesn't do well as captain, and Ganguly's batting doesn't improve either, then there is no point in bringing him into team. If Ganguly improves as a batsman and Dravid fails as a captain, then Ganguly comes back in the team as captain and batsman(at the expense of the kaif etc who may have performed well).
 
Arjun

Arjun

Cricketer Of The Year
Sudeep said:
Why do we need new openers? That's one slot that I don't think we need to change. Sehwag and Sachin in ODIs and Sehwag and Gambhir in Tests is the best combination IMO. No need for a change there.
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Gambhir is ODI material, and he'd be in the habit of scoring runs if he played ODI's. He can't do far worse than the middle order, where Sachin is needed more. At present, he's better suited to 4, 5 and 6 than opening, where he has struggled these days, while Yuvraj struggled in the middle-order.
 
Arjun

Arjun

Cricketer Of The Year
Your opinion of this team?
  • Sehwag
  • Gambhir
  • Dhoni
  • Tendulkar
  • Kaif
  • Dravid
  • JP Yadav
  • Harbhajan
  • Amit Mishra (LBG)
  • Nehra
  • Vikram Rajvir Singh (listed as RMF, but may be close to RF)
Reserves: Bhandari/Gagandeep, Powar, Yuvraj, Raina.
 
V

vvk

School Boy/Girl Cricketer
Nehra is not a suitable one day cricket - cannot bat or field, and is way too loose with the ball. Replace with Agarkar or Pathan (when in form).

Murali Kartik in for Amit Mishra. Yuvraj in for Gambhir.
 
Pratters

Pratters

Cricket, Lovely Cricket
Arjun said:
Your opinion of this team?
  • Sehwag
  • Gambhir
  • Dhoni
  • Tendulkar
  • Kaif
  • Dravid
  • JP Yadav
  • Harbhajan
  • Amit Mishra (LBG)
  • Nehra
  • Vikram Rajvir Singh (listed as RMF, but may be close to RF)
Reserves: Bhandari/Gagandeep, Powar, Yuvraj, Raina.
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You try youngsters slowly, not over haul a team. Including Gambhir who hasnt had a run in ODI cricket, its 4 of them at one go. I would include two maximum.

Also 4 bowlers are looking weaker than ever before.

If we sport an attack which consistently gets smashed for 300 runs, there will be more matches we will lose than win.
 
V

vvk

School Boy/Girl Cricketer
Sehwag
Tendulkar
Dravid
Kaif
Yuvraj
Dhoni
Jai P Yadav
Ramesh Powar
Murali Kartik/Harbhajan Singh
Ajit Agarkar
Irfan Pathan
 
Arjun

Arjun

Cricketer Of The Year
vvk said:
Nehra is not a suitable one day cricket - cannot bat or field, and is way too loose with the ball.
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Give me a break. He was the best bowler for the Indian side throughout the series! And if that's not enough, he got two run-outs with accurate throws, one smashing the stumps!
vvk said:
Murali Kartik in for Amit Mishra.
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Enough of that negative line and the no-balls. Mishra bowls for wickets and uses a lot of variations, ad even gets a lot more turn. He's done well playing abroad too.
Yuvraj in for Gambhir
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Rotation.
Pratyush said:
You try youngsters slowly, not over haul a team...
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Basically, there are five seniors (Nehra, Sachin, Sehwag, Harbhajan and Dravid) who can help the youngsters. These newbies are fresh, they're playing for a win, they can play as a team and support the main men.

When Pakistan were out of the World Cup a lot earlier, they dropped their TOP EIGHT PLAYERS, yet won the next tournament in which they played- they only had Youhana, Younis Khan and Razzaq!

When your main team, full strength, are playing minnow-class cricket, what is the harm in doing an overhaul? Besides, the India-A team are a more balanced and better-organised side than their senior counterparts.

That bowling attack is not as weak as it looks. Fans said that about most bowling attacks that Indin batsmen faced- only to fall cheaply to them- New Zealand minus Bond, for instance. And what great thing has a full-strength attack done? Besides, look at that last name- that adds a long-missing ingredient to the attack- PACE.
 
Pratters

Pratters

Cricket, Lovely Cricket
Arjun said:
When Pakistan were out of the World Cup a lot earlier, they dropped their TOP EIGHT PLAYERS, yet won the next tournament in which they played- they only had Youhana, Younis Khan and Razzaq!

When your main team, full strength, are playing minnow-class cricket, what is the harm in doing an overhaul? Besides, the India-A team are a more balanced and better-organised side than their senior counterparts.

That bowling attack is not as weak as it looks. Fans said that about most bowling attacks that Indin batsmen faced- only to fall cheaply to them- New Zealand minus Bond, for instance. And what great thing has a full-strength attack done? Besides, look at that last name- that adds a long-missing ingredient to the attack- PACE.
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India tried some youngsters in the knock out tournament in which Zaheer made his debut. That can be a good anology. There was Yuvraj, Zaheer, some other people If I am not mistaken. I think you need to go series by series with the over haul though simply because you dont know how many of the youngsters are as good or should be retained for how long.

India should have gone in with such a policy a year ago. I mentioned it some time then.

Its not too late still. We have done a good job in finding Dhoni in the recent series who still has to prove he is consistent though.

Among the players who can be dropped/rested :-

S.Ganguly - automatically has been for the next for odis
V.Sehwag - this guy can take some time off on a beach or some thing :afro:
R.Dravid - Same goes for him.
Harbhajan : requires to sort himself after the confidence shattering blow by the ICC

It wont harm if the top players in form and those completely out of sorts like Harbhajan was given a rest in the next series two months later to unearth some talent and give space to players to find some form back.

Laxman is class. He can come back if we dont find any good youngsters.

We seriously have o look at the spin department. A choice has to be made. To stick with Kumble, or find some one else. I would say try one or two prospective spinners but not disregard Kumble. He may still be good enough for 2007 despite being poor for the moment.
 
Arjun

Arjun

Cricketer Of The Year
Among the players who can be dropped/rested :-
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Why do you want to drop the frontline players? One can understand why Ganguly, Yuvraj, Agarkar, Karthik and Dino should be dropped, but why the only dependable players in the side?
We seriously have o look at the spin department
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FRONTLINE: Kumble, Bhajji, Powar
RESERVE: Yusuf Pathan, Ramkumar, Mishra, Rajesh Pawar
Feedback?
 
Pratters

Pratters

Cricket, Lovely Cricket
Arjun said:
Why do you want to drop the frontline players? One can understand why Ganguly, Yuvraj, Agarkar, Karthik and Dino should be dropped, but why the only dependable players in the side?
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you dont really drop them. You rest them to find a better team for the future for more important tournaments, to find a right balance.

Australia got it wrong when they rested Hayden as he went out of form after that. But After 2-3 months of a break, it would be safe to say another 10-14 days wont effect the player.

FRONTLINE: Kumble, Bhajji, Powar
RESERVE: Yusuf Pathan, Ramkumar, Mishra, Rajesh Pawar
Feedback?
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I am not an expert at the domestic spinners. I dont think Pawar is making the Mumbai side consistently even though.

Powar would be good but would need the confidence of Ganguly or Dravid if he becomes the captain.

I havent seen the other spinners but atleast two new spinners have to be tried apart from the tested Kumble, Bhajji and Karthik. Powar and some one else maybe.

The likes of Bhajji and Kumble should atleast feel some heat below them for a while too. It wouldnt shake their confidence but make them more determined.
 
Arjun

Arjun

Cricketer Of The Year
I dont think Pawar is making the Mumbai side consistently even though.
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Pawar has been a leading bowler for Baroda, since he shifted. EDIT: He has also made the West Zone side for Deodhar and Duleep, and even the Challenger series.
 
Pratters

Pratters

Cricket, Lovely Cricket
Arjun said:
Pawar has been a leading bowler for Baroda, since he shifted. EDIT: He has also made the West Zone side for Deodhar and Duleep, and even the Challenger series.
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Ah. I thought 'there goes another so called talented player from Mumbai when I used to see no Pawar in their line up' Good to know he is doing good.
 
Sudeep

Sudeep

International Captain
Arjun said:
Your opinion of this team?
  • Sehwag
  • Gambhir
  • Dhoni
  • Tendulkar
  • Kaif
  • Dravid
  • JP Yadav
  • Harbhajan
  • Amit Mishra (LBG)
  • Nehra
  • Vikram Rajvir Singh (listed as RMF, but may be close to RF)
Reserves: Bhandari/Gagandeep, Powar, Yuvraj, Raina.
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Dravid at #6 is preposterous.
 
adharcric

adharcric

International Coach
V. Sehwag
S. Tendulkar
M. Dhoni / V. Laxman
M. Kaif
R. Dravid
Y. Singh / H. Badani / S. Sriram / S. Raina / V. Rao
M. Dhoni/ J. Yadav / D. Mongia / R. Powar
A. Agarkar / I. Pathan
H. Singh / A. Kumble / M. Kartik / A. Mishra
Z. Khan / domestic bowlers
A. Nehra / L. Balaji / A. Nabi
 
Pratters

Pratters

Cricket, Lovely Cricket
Neil Pickup said:
A quick reminder.

Last time India tried a few variations in the side, they lost to Bangladesh.
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The seniors in the side were the players who failed mostly.
 
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