Indian cricket off season discussion

[Arjun]

Perhaps Amol Muzumdar should be replaced with Niraj Patel. As for the keeper, doesn't matter much to me but I guess you're right with the idea of having a safe man behind the stumps to help out the bowlers (at least i think that was you ..). Not sure if Ramkumar and Amit Mishra should get the nod over Ramesh Powar. RP Singh and Abid Nabi both seem to be solid selections, other seamers to consider would be SS Paul, R Bose, G Singh, J Sharma, V Singh.

• Niraj Patel- one opener too many. He should be rotated with Jaffer, Dhawan, Uthappa and Jadhav. No point playing him in the middle order.
• There is no need for a wicketkeeper batsman in the senior side- they need bowling all-rounders. The two contenders in the side are just as good as the keepers, if not better, and have a lot more hitting power- one of them is high-octane textbook, the other is unorthodox and freakish. Besides, if you look at some Kiwi and Aussie attacks, they were missing key bowlers (one Aussie attack missed McGrath, Gillespie, Lee, Warne and MacGill), yet they have won tournaments- because each bowler had ten good fielders supportign him- keeper included.
• Ramesh Powar has played enough for the A-team, and should be playing in the national team. Both Mishra and Ramkumar have performed well in the last domestic season.
• Paul and Bose are not the best of fielders. Paul is a bit slow (like JP Yadav, Balaji, Bangar and Sharma) with good control while Bose sprays the ball all over, though he has more pace. Hopefully they have improved on those fronts. A pity Salvi's injuries have kept him out of action for so long. VR Singh should make the senior side.
• Yusuf Pathan should get one full series as a full-fledged all-rounder, then Joginder Sharma can be tried. Irfan should bat as a hitter at seven.

 

[honestbharani]

I would like to see Dinesh Kaarthick as the keeper for the A side. If he is going to be in the test squad to tour Zim, they would need him in good form... And an A tour is always a good experience.

 

[Pratters]

http://www.expressindia.com/fullstory.php?newsid=46621

Its a two horse race between Chappell and Moody now according to Indian Express

 

[GermanShepherd]

Personally I hope Moody gets the nod. I think he'll work very well with the Indian team.

 

[Arjun]

Not good. No point picking coaches just because they're foreign.

 

[viktor]

But Moody also has a proven track record..while Amarnath doesn't....no point rejecting coaches just because they are foreign

 

[V Reddy]

Not good. No point picking coaches just because they're foreign.

Why is he not good? Infact i think out of the four , he has the relevant experience and qualities. He has been the director of Cricket in Worcestershire for a while and has earned great reviews for his man-management skills . What makes people like Mohinder, Greg and Sandeep better than him?

Even most of the cricketers except Ganguly seem to be in favour of him.

 

[Arjun]

no point rejecting coaches just because they are foreign

That's not something the BCCI does. Ultimately, it does not matter whether the coach is foreign or local. He must get the job done, which has not been the case with Richard Pybus and John Dyson.

But Moody also has a proven track record

What has he done as coach? And what can he do that Patil and Amarnath can't?

 

[Pratters]

What has he done as coach? And what can he do that Patil and Amarnath can't?

I dont know why Moody i being isolated by you and compared with Amarnath and Patil

It is irrelevent now as only the two Aussies are left in the race.

But the question to be asked is only what the coach can do for the team.

Why are you so pessimistic about Moody. He has a good track record in county cricket as a coach and hasnt done any thing to suggest he is a poor coach.

 

[Arjun]

This was a subject for a group discussion to qualify for a management institute, which I had attended. A lot of very valid points were made there, though mostly the same stuff. We had points in favour of a foreign coach, as well as some against, some neutral, even one who suggested that the foreign coach should have an Indian assistant, which will help him, as well as the team.

I dont know why Moody i being isolated by you and compared with Amarnath and Patil

It is irrelevent now as only the two Aussies are left in the race.

But the question to be asked is only what the coach can do for the team.

Why are you so pessimistic about Moody. He has a good track record in county cricket as a coach and hasnt done any thing to suggest he is a poor coach.

What great thing has Moody done for any team he's coached? If he really was far better than Amarnath and Patil, he would have led Worcestershire to victory in all the domestic tournaments in England. Otherwise, he's just plain overpriced. Sandeep Patil, on the other hand, has had some success with Kenya and India-A (they never lost a match in England and won a tri-series against Pakistan A and Kenya) and also knows the fringe players well, and is willing to work with them

Foreign coaches don't work well with the fringe players, and are only comfortable working wih the big names- and that's not good. Players who were on debut or were not regular have suffered in the five years when John Wright was coach, and could have offered a lot more to the team than the over-rated big names in the side.

Jaywant Lele says that the team does not need a coach. They just need a professional manager as well as some consultants. He may be right- there is a lot of talent in this Indian team and also in the reserves, but it has not been optimised so far. They need a person who can make the best possible use of whatever is available, rather than persisting with something that does not do much, just because "nothing's wrong with it".

 

[viktor]

What great thing has Moody done for any team he's coached? If he really was far better than Amarnath and Patil, he would have led Worcestershire to victory in all the domestic tournaments in England. Otherwise, he's just plain overpriced.

Moody did take the Worcs to one domestic title iirc; how many tournaments has amaarnath won as a coach...ofcourse the point is meaningless, there can be no direct comparison..there r a lot of reasons other than the coach for a team winning or losing, but i just wanted to counter ur rather weird formula,
Moody with all Eng domestic titles = Amarnath with zero..

 

[Pratters]

If he really was far better than Amarnath and Patil, he would have led Worcestershire to victory in all the domestic tournaments in England. Otherwise, he's just plain overpriced. Sandeep Patil, on the other hand, has had some success with Kenya and India-A (they never lost a match in England and won a tri-series against Pakistan A and Kenya) and also knows the fringe players well, and is willing to work with them

Foreign coaches don't work well with the fringe players, and are only comfortable working wih the big names- and that's not good. Players who were on debut or were not regular have suffered in the five years when John Wright was coach, and could have offered a lot more to the team than the over-rated big names in the side.

Jaywant Lele says that the team does not need a coach. They just need a professional manager as well as some consultants. He may be right- there is a lot of talent in this Indian team and also in the reserves, but it has not been optimised so far. They need a person who can make the best possible use of whatever is available, rather than persisting with something that does not do much, just because "nothing's wrong with it".

Excuse me but why does Moody have to win ALL domestic competitions for proving he is a good coach?

And how you so convincingly say Moody is worse than Patil I am unaware as Patil drumped Kenya in 2003 only to find he had not proper assignments in India when he wanted to serve in the country and went on coaching an unfancied team(Oman ?) out of lack of choice. If he was so much in favour of coaching a less fancied team he would never have dumped Kenya.

And the guy couldnt find a worthy work assignment in India in 2 years and now I wouldnt be too happy if atleast he is made coach.

Regarding foreign coach not being good with fringe players see this week's Wisden Asia cricket. Players like Balaji who was a fringe player has spoke very highly of Wright specially on handling young players.

You are bringing the price issue of the coach. Wouldnt the BCCI be more concerned in chosing the best player, Indian on foreigner and not look at the prices as it is pretty rich. That would be the logical thing to do.

And I would have loved to be in that GD ..

 

[Pratters]

Sportcentre Asia reports John Inverante is also in fray along with Haynes.

Apparently Inverante knew nothing of the matter in a report in Indian Express yesterday.

 

[honestbharani]

I kinda lean towards the idea of a foreign coach with an Indian assistant..... He can also act as some sort of an interpreter and also share some of the workload during the tough times. I am sure Wright must have really hoped he had a good assistant during the Australia series last year, when so many guys were out of form.... That way, he could have given more individual attention to all the guys... Plus, whoever is the assistant coach can also look after the duties as the manager of the side and also act as a media manager for the side as well..... Ideally, someone like Robin Singh (who coaches the U19 side) would be perfect for such a job. And, once Moody (or whoever the foreign coach picked is) is going, Robin (or whoever the assistant is) can takeover..... Ultimately, in the long term, I think we need a strong Indian coach for the Indian side.

 

[Deja moo]

They have the moolah. Why cant the BCCI get two coaches ? One general coach, and one specialist bowling coach .

 

[Arjun]

The discussion on coaches is getting a little too heavy....we can continue that on the other thread specially made for it.

What's your opinion on Pathan joining Middlesex?

 

[masterblaster]

The discussion on coaches is getting a little too heavy....we can continue that on the other thread specially made for it.

What's your opinion on Pathan joining Middlesex?

Definitely a good idea for him as a bowler, since he has a lot to learn. He needs more exposure and regular games at FC level, because he has the talent, he just needs to iron out some major fundamental flaws he has in his cricket. Plus he could improve his batting as well.

 

[Arjun]

Definitely a good idea for him as a bowler, since he has a lot to learn. He needs more exposure and regular games at FC level, because he has the talent, he just needs to iron out some major fundamental flaws he has in his cricket. Plus he could improve his batting as well.

In his last tour of England with the A-team, he averaged a disappointing 40+, and hopefully he'll improve on that while playing for the county side. Whether those conditions in England really suit seam and swing is debatable, given how many big scores have been posted in the recent matches. Irrespective of the conditions, he just needs to use his swing wisely and bowl on a spot. As for his batting, he's not going to do much at numbers 9 through 11, so he needs to bat higher up. His big hits are good, but he needs to take more singles and play out fewer dot balls.

 

[marc71178]

Counties are in the business of trying to win games, so he'll bat where they want him do based on his career average to date (which for all the hype surrounding his batting is actually poor)

 

[Deja moo]

Tax Exemption Granted

Finally !

http://content.cricinfo.com/india/content/story/210003.html


This means the 2006 ICC Champions Trophy will be held in India.
This also clears the way for the board to bid for the 2011 WC