ICC Champions Trophy in Sri Lanka

[marc71178]

It could well be one of the best games of the Tournament.

England's big(ish) win over Zimbabwe will give them (especially Hoggard) confidence boosts.

I reckon whoever wins the toss will bat first and stand a very good chance of winning, given how slow the Premadasa is in the first place, and gets slower under lights. I'm surprised Corky didn't make more of an impact (or any..) against Zimbabwe, maybe he's for the chop against India.

Which will bring in Rikki Clarke - can hardly wait...

 

[marc71178]

Yes, I agree with that assesment.Premadasa at night can get a little dewy like any other place in the subcontinent in these months and specially if England bowls second, India can get into trouble with England's seamers specially Hoggard who gave a fine performance today.

Unfortunately, Hoggard is yet to be consistent, and could just as easily take 3-25 as today or 0-60 off 8 overs. !

Here's hoping it's the former

 

[marc71178]

A completely unrelated point (to all recent dabate in this thread)

Why isn't Saqlain in the Pakistan squad?

 

[basil]

For your kind information, there was never any real investigation going on, so how can it have conluded if it didn't exist? They just wanted EVERY tape from the ICC Tournament.

No-one ever really thought anything dodgy was going on.

What exactly is Real Investigation??? The ACU was CLEARLY focussing on Youhanna's run out as they thought it was dodgy, HOWEVER they came to the conclusion that it was not a case of MF.

 

[nehrafan]

Unfortunately, Hoggard is yet to be consistent, and could just as easily take 3-25 as today or 0-60 off 8 overs. !

Here's hoping it's the former

I can't imagine how a bowler like Hoggard had such an impressive figure in a onedayer.I don't think he will be able to trouble the Indians much, in the last series the Indian batters gave him a hammering in Natwest trophy, i'm hoping the same this time too!

 

[sheerindianspeed]

These KO tour are awful, u lose a match and u are out.India-Eng match will be tuff, Eng aren't pussovers, and the way they defeated Zimb is a warning to the Indians.India got to go into the match with 5 bowlers, one of the specialists batter should be dropped, maybe Yadev should be given a chance into the match!

 

[marc71178]

What exactly is Real Investigation??? The ACU was CLEARLY focussing on Youhanna's run out as they thought it was dodgy, HOWEVER they came to the conclusion that it was not a case of MF.

Right.

The ACU requested (privately) a copy of every game on tape for monitoring purposes.

This came to light after that Sri Lanka game.

Tony Greig discovered and publicised it, thinking it was some kind of scandal brewing (unlike him to be involved!)

The press had a few days of debating this non-event.

The ACU had to make a reply, so said that nothing dubious had happened - which isn't surprising considering they weren't investigating anything!

 

[lord_of_darkness]

England Played well recovering from a bad start as James has stated earlier Blackwell gave a real good show but got run out in the end , he did well supporting knight and stewart and irani and England reached 269/7 .

But India's reply was stronger, the first 3 overs went by , by singles , but then Sehwag started opening his account started hitting 3 4's and 2 4;s in an over , hit caddick all around the park the score at the moment is
V.Sehwag 101 79 balls 17 fours 1 six
S.Ganguly 41 58 balls 3 fours 1 six

India is Currently in a winning position at 153/0 in 22.2 overs at a r.rate of 6.85 ( its been around that till now ) 115 needed to win at a rate of 4.23


Its good that India went on to chase and started of really well , they showing some signs of improvement , but the bowling department needs more improvement , maybe they should take Kumble out and Bring in either Bangar or Yadav that would be better for India another useful seam bowler / batsmen or a speciliast keeper who can be a useful bat

Exciting match , Sehwag playing Some minty shots and Ganguly doing real well on just being there as a support , good batting by both !

However its not over , Until its actually Over !

 

[aussie_beater]

However its not over , Until its actually Over !

Ah well....its over with India doing the needful in 39 overs.I didn't expect it to be this onesided.But kudos for some awesome batting from Sehwag at the start and Ganguly later.

 

[marc71178]

Yep, we were beaten fair and square by the better side on the day, but I still don't like India's 5th bowler being cobbled together - I would dump Laxman myself for someone like Agarkar (IF he can improve his batting enough)

 

[Neil Pickup]

I don't like England's 1st, 2nd, 3rd, 4th, 5th, 6th, 7th bowlers on that performance.

Actually, Blackwell didn't do too badly. Him and ten others it was. How much that he gets dropped for the VB Series now, and Rikki "no games" Clarke stays?

As I said in the other post, we missed Gough, Flintoff, Collingwood, Thorpe and Vaughan, and India would be far weaker without Zaheer, Kaif, Yuvraj, Tendulkar and Sehwag.

 

[anzac]

i didn't get to see the match but congrads to India........

 

[Anil]

As I said in the other post, we missed Gough, Flintoff, Collingwood, Thorpe and Vaughan, and India would be far weaker without Zaheer, Kaif, Yuvraj, Tendulkar and Sehwag.

Why do you keep dwelling on what would(could, might..) have been? It is at best an educated guess. If you say that England failed because Tresc and Hussain couldn't get going, sounds more plausible. However, even a score of 350 might not have been enough, the way the Indians chased the target. Also, remember that Tendulkar faced just 20 balls, Dravid, Yuvraj and Kaif didn't even need to bat.

 

[aussie_beater]

......and India would be far weaker without Zaheer, Kaif, Yuvraj, Tendulkar and Sehwag.

Well God forbid that happens, but did you notice that Kaif,Yuvraj and Tendulkar did not even come into the party.....Tendulkar was just out there to humour Ganguly for a while.

 

[marc71178]

Even if they weren't needed in this game, had India gone into the game without them, they would have been nowhere near as confident as they were knowing they had them to fall back on. Academic really, but a full strength England side would've made the match a lot closer.

 

[Anil]

Academic really, but a full strength England side would've made the match a lot closer.

The first part of your statement is true, ie this discussion is at best academic.
Fact: England with their best available side were soundly thrashed by India. Fact: There was a lot of daylight between the teams yesterday especially in batting. Fact: England's best batsman(Tresc) and skipper(also in good form) failed.
Fact: All the English bowlers were utterly helpless and were like lambs led to the slaughter by Sehwag and Ganguly. Give me a good reason to believe that Gough and Flintoff would have made a difference other than the fact that you want to believe it.

 

[Tim]

No way mate, get rid of Collingwood & play this guy Blackwell. Collingwood is barely a medium pacer & didn't bat that well here in NZ, but I was impressed with Blackwell & I think he;s got a few more shots than Flintoff too.

 

[anzac]

oh well my predictions re the first 300+ score were off - Aus didn't bat first!!!!!

that honour went to Eng V Zim - i didn't pick that!!!!

still no observations re lack of short bowling???

:P

 

[aussie_beater]

Even if they weren't needed in this game, had India gone into the game without them, they would have been nowhere near as confident as they were knowing they had them to fall back on. Academic really, but a full strength England side would've made the match a lot closer.

Academic discussions on sports are for dissilusioned fans at best....like if we had a Bradman, we could have beaten the heck out of the Aussies on their own turf.

What if I say that India would have beaten England all the same even if Tendulkar wasn't born or Kaif was a soccer player.....see the point.These academic discussions can lead you anywhere and so its better to look at what happened and maybe draw conclusions from it rather going on a fantasy tour.

 

[basil]

Originally posted by marc71178
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Right.

The ACU requested (privately) a copy of every game on tape for monitoring purposes.

This came to light after that Sri Lanka game.

Tony Greig discovered and publicised it, thinking it was some kind of scandal brewing (unlike him to be involved!)

The press had a few days of debating this non-event.

The ACU had to make a reply, so said that nothing dubious had happened - which isn't surprising considering they weren't investigating anything! [/quote]


Thats totally incorrect ICC spokesman Mike Harrison who is presently in Colombo has been quoted by Reuters as having said that only the tapes of the Pak-Sri Lanka game had been obtained.

The ACU came out with a statement only after thay had completed their investigation.