ICC-Asia Split - Would you really care?

[Goughy]

I am quite aware of that (people come in to watch cricket religiously and its a very good sight) but as Goughy said " Only Ashes ", so..how many ashes are you gonna play in 1 year.

Im sorry, what did I say now? Im quite used to having what I write twisted or misinterpreted as the written word often reads different to how the intent is meant.

However, Im not used to having quotes made up.

 

[Rajeev]

Im sorry, what did I say now? Im quite used to having what I write twisted or misinterpreted as the written word often reads different to how the intent is meant.

However, Im not used to having quotes made up.

Oh sorry, my bad, that was Barney Rubbles comment in the 1st page ( Ashes----------> everything else) and then you replied about ODIs being meaningless etc

I got mixed up

 

[Goughy]

Oh sorry, my bad, that was Barney Rubbles comment in the 1st page ( Ashes----------> everything else) and then you replied about ODIs being meaningless etc

I got mixed up

No worries

 

[Barney Rubble]

Oh sorry, my bad, that was Barney Rubbles comment in the 1st page ( Ashes----------> everything else) and then you replied about ODIs being meaningless etc

I got mixed up

That's fair enough, but I wasn't saying that Asia should definitely split from the ICC. Just that if it did, it wouldn't really bother me that much, 'cause I care most about the Ashes. Which means it'll suck if we lose this winter.

 

[R_D]

I'm only going by what came out of the England camp over the two winter tours this season.

I think those are called excuses for losing.

I don't think the split will happen though, too much money at stake for that to happen.

 

[Dick Rockett]

I think a split would be good for the game only because when it happens both sides will realise how much better off they were beforehand. Then perhaps they might act with a bit more of a concilatory and grown-up attitude towards each other. An example of this scenario working out well is the Super League war in the mid 90s. It was temporarily damaging for the game but the result, the NRL, is one of the best sports comps in the world IMO.

Either way, the current divisive atmosphere in the game is only going to make things worse if it continues. I've been a lifelong fan of the game, I love it, but I'm getting utterly sick of the money grabbing and power plays. It's at the point where I'm really not interested in cricket atm.

Cricket is going the same way as F1. It's no longer about the sport, it's about making money, and I just plain don't care about some suits sitting in a boardroom lining their wallets.

I'll miss the subcontinental teams should a split happen. It kind of hurts that some people here have stated they wouldn't miss us. I know we're not the strongest team, or that we have the best players, but we do well with the resources we've got. In addition, given that huge gap in playing resources, we do pretty darn well against the Asian teams.

 

[silentstriker]

I think a split would be good for the game only because when it happens both sides will realise how much better off they were beforehand. Then perhaps they might act with a bit more of a concilatory and grown-up attitude towards each other. An example of this scenario working out well is the Super League war in the mid 90s. It was temporarily damaging for the game but the result, the NRL, is one of the best sports comps in the world IMO.

Either way, the current divisive atmosphere in the game is only going to make things worse if it continues. I've been a lifelong fan of the game, I love it, but I'm getting utterly sick of the money grabbing and power plays. It's at the point where I'm really not interested in cricket atm.

Cricket is going the same way as F1. It's no longer about the sport, it's about making money, and I just plain don't care about some suits sitting in a boardroom lining their wallets.

I'll miss the subcontinental teams should a split happen. It kind of hurts that some people here have stated they wouldn't miss us. I know we're not the strongest team, or that we have the best players, but we do well with the resources we've got. In addition, given that huge gap in playing resources, we do pretty darn well against the Asian teams.

Well, I didn't mean to come across in that way. NZ kicked our asses the last time we toured, and a lot of our techniques were exposed. I'm saying that in terms of popularity, those are the teams I'd like to see. It is not a knock against the quality of NZ cricket, not at all.

 

[Rajeev]

But where will each board go?

Since there is so much money to be made via Sub-Con games and the BCCI building stadiums for other countries and what not, I doubt many will side with "ICC"

I am afraid only Aus and Eng might end up forming the ICC. I that case, time will force them to join "Asia" anyways

 

[Anil]

a lot of people seem to be assuming that a split is definitely in the offing... isn't very likely, is it?

 

[nightprowler10]

What if the ICC just went away and instead we had an Asian and non-Asian bloc. The difference would be similar to the American and National leagues in baseball in the USA. The teams in the same league play each other far more often but also play inter-league games. At the end of the season they have a World Series between the best of both leagues. In cricket's case, Asian teams would play each other a lot more but would also play teams from outside Asia. And of course we would still have the World Cup to decide who's the best of all.

Of course this would mean the emergance of a very powerful ACC and err...non-ACC.

Sorry if this idea has been mentioned, I didn't have time to go through the whole thread.

 

[Dasa]

I'm only going by what came out of the England camp over the two winter tours this season.

Well then that reflects the England camp's attitude more than anything else. If they're so insular and narrow-minded that they think anything in the subcontinent is automatically inferior, then what can you say? At any rate, you should see what some of the Australian players have to say about the subcontinent. I can't remember where I read it, but I definitely remember Steve Waugh (I think - it may have been Border) saying that how much you enjoy the subcontinent depends on your attitude to the place. If you go in thinking you're superior and complaining about every little thing (like Australian teams used to do), then of course you'll hate it. But if you go in prepared to open your mind and embrace the culture and the people (as Australian teams under Waugh and everyone since then have done), you'll love it just as much as anywhere else in the world.

It does sound kind of harsh when you see it like that. Its not meant as anything nasty, but they are a very proud people. Its not really a generalization, as the notion of 'volk' still runs very strong even if it is not something they are all that comfortable with.

I'm not so bothered that it's Afrikaaners you've generalised about (what reason would I have to defend them?), but it's just that I don't like generalising about any group of people as it's likely many don't fit the stereotype.

'Volk' is the belief that they are Gods Chosen People. Also many liberal Afrtkaaners have talked to me about Seiner Van Rensburg. Read him and let me know what you think.

I'm reading up a little about him now - seems a very interesting character. I'll look up more info about him when I have the time.

You can call it a generalization, but it is one that many Afrikaaners admit to. They talk about how thay are still very superstitious and have a deep cultural identity even if it does not come up in general every day life.

Out of interest, how much do you know about Afrikaaners and their history?

Not enough. My knowledge of South African history is sketchy at best.

EDIT- Also that post was in relation to the Afrikaaner defence of Cronje, when it was not uncommon for people to say that "Hansie could not have done what has been suggested as he is a God-fearing Afrikaaner". It illogical and they took the accusations to heart. Hence my post, you did take it a little out of context.

Sorry, didn't see what the post in relation to.

 

[vic_orthdox]

Well then that reflects the England camp's attitude more than anything else. If they're so insular and narrow-minded that they think anything in the subcontinent is automatically inferior, then what can you say? At any rate, you should see what some of the Australian players have to say about the subcontinent. I can't remember where I read it, but I definitely remember Steve Waugh (I think - it may have been Border) saying that how much you enjoy the subcontinent depends on your attitude to the place. If you go in thinking you're superior and complaining about every little thing (like Australian teams used to do), then of course you'll hate it. But if you go in prepared to open your mind and embrace the culture and the people (as Australian teams under Waugh and everyone since then have done), you'll love it just as much as anywhere else in the world.

Exactly. Although the other thing about the sub-continent is that as soon as you get into a down frame of mind, it sort of mounts up. You need to be really patient, and tolerant (that might sound demeaning, but just referring to language barriers, esp. at restaurants and these sort of things when they bring out different meals, and cultural differences), and when you start losing, or if you've been going poorly yourself, you start thinking about how much "easier" it'd be at home. People whinge to their team-mates. It tends to run through the side like a virus once that happens.

The hotels are all really good. It's interesting how so many Englishmen complain about the stomach bugs - when we went over there, we were really really strict with what we ate, and it was only those who regularly transgressed the guidelines given to us who ever got sick. Just because the hotel says that the food is fine, doesn't necessarily mean so - that was the most emphasised point made by our "food consultant".

 

[Yahto]

I'll miss the subcontinental teams should a split happen. It kind of hurts that some people here have stated they wouldn't miss us. I know we're not the strongest team, or that we have the best players, but we do well with the resources we've got. In addition, given that huge gap in playing resources, we do pretty darn well against the Asian teams.

You can't go by the opinions of a few mate, especially given that rhetoric seems to be the flavour of the month for them. I find it ridiculous when someone says they prefer watching India play Sri Lanka over NZ. India-Sri Lanka test matches are one of the most boring contests in the sport, and an India-New Zealand test match would surely be preferable to that.

 

[SJS]

However much maybe the money TV rights etc bring in cricket today, if it were reduced to games between only Asian teams, the amounts would drop dramatically and in very short time.

That is how it is.

Of course, non Asian countries would be big losers but to think everything would be hunky dory for Asian teams is to be blind not just blinkered.

Thank God the administrators on both sides, for all their faults, are smarter than the fanatical fans so its never going to be allowed to happen.

 

[Slats4ever]

i agree with the sentiments earlier expressed by somebody that the mindset and the reasons that the "Asian" countries play cricket, is hugely different from those from the other nations.

To be honest I wouldn't care if we only had England, South Africa and NZ test series as an Australian and then maybe came together every four years for a combined world cup! I never seem to get as much interest out of playing "Asian" nations as the style and reasons behind their cricket is different.

 

[_TiGeR-ToWn_]

Been reading through the posts, and most people make valid points for both sides of the argument.

My thoughts are that it will never happen and it shouldnt get close to happening. The amount of people in the Sub-Continent is gigantic (over 1.5 billion) and cricket is one of the biggest sports over there. The revinue out of a game of cricket there would be huge; gate reciepts, sponsership, television rights etc. It is too great a chunk to loose for the ICC and it would never happen. I would become bored of seeing the same test series over and over again. I love watching when the Australians try and take on the Indians in their fortress, its exciting cricket. Just won't see it ever becoming an idea on the ICC board table.

 

[TT Boy]

I'm only going by what came out of the England camp over the two winter tours this season.

Which was ******** propaganda, to compensate for the substandard performances on show. When in doubt blame the five star hotels and luxury accommodation.

 

[silentstriker]

Been reading through the posts, and most people make valid points for both sides of the argument.

My thoughts are that it will never happen and it shouldnt get close to happening. The amount of people in the Sub-Continent is gigantic (over 1.5 billion) and cricket is one of the biggest sports over there. The revinue out of a game of cricket there would be huge; gate reciepts, sponsership, television rights etc. It is too great a chunk to loose for the ICC and it would never happen. I would become bored of seeing the same test series over and over again. I love watching when the Australians try and take on the Indians in their fortress, its exciting cricket. Just won't see it ever becoming an idea on the ICC board table.

It is not one of the biggest sports here, it is the only sport here.

 

[Goughy]

It is not one of the biggest sports here, it is the only sport here.

Im asking this as Im not that knowledgable about the subject and beacuse I used to watch it on TV when I was younger.

If cricket is the only sport, how big are sports like kabaddi?

 

[Magrat Garlick]

Im asking this as Im not that knowledgable about the subject and beacuse I used to watch it on TV when I was younger.

If cricket is the only sport, how big are sports like kabaddi?

Or, for that matter, hockey.