ICC-Asia Split - Would you really care?

[Fusion]

Hussein can say whatever he wants now, but I very much doubt if any team outside of the subcontinent would walk out of a game over an umpiring decision, accuse another umpire of racism because of decisions made or threaten to pull out of a whole series if their captain was banned.

Please show me where a Pakistani player or official accused Hair of being racist.

As for your other points, they don't hold water with me. So teams from the subcontinent are the only ones capable of causing a scene huh? What about the Mike Gatting incident? And you can ignore Nasser's statement all you want, but the fact is he did say that he would've done the same thing as Inzi. And by the way, though they never said it like Nasser, both Botham and Atherton implied the same thing. I know what it is. All 3 of them must have a subcontinent gene in them. That's the only explanation for their shockingly bad stance on backing Pakistan.

 

[Sanz]

I have no doubt that many people feel that way, however many others around the world dont and if a split would mean not having to deal with this type of drama then it is attractive.

As it stands, Im not convinced the 2 ways of viewing the sport are compatable. As I said, its not a matter of right or wrong but about 2 mentalities that cannot function together well.

I guess you live in South Africa, do you remember the public outcry in South Africa after Indian police first came up with allegations against 'Cronje' ? Asians were beaten up, Asian properties were damaged, All radio stations wer clogged with anti-Asian racial slurs and support calls for Cronje.

May be you dont or even if you do, you will find some way to justify it but I think what happened in SA against Asians in the aftermath of Cronje accusation was worse than you will ever see in any sub-continental country.

 

[Sanz]

Please show me where a Pakistani player or official accused Hair of being racist.

As for your other points, they don't hold water with me. So teams from the subcontinent are the only ones capable of causing a scene huh? What about the Mike Gatting incident? And you can ignore Nasser's statement all you want, but the fact is he did say that he would've done the same thing as Inzi. And by the way, though they never said it like Nasser, both Botham and Atherton implied the same thing. I know what it is. All 3 of them must have a subcontinent gene in them. That's the only explanation for their shockingly bad stance on backing Pakistan.

Mike Gatting row is another when entire England was up in arms against Pakistanis.

 

[Goughy]

I guess you live in South Africa, do you remember the public outcry in South Africa after Indian police first came up with allegations against 'Cronje' ? Asians were beaten up, Asian properties were damaged, All radio stations wer clogged with anti-Asian racial slurs and support calls for Cronje.

May be you dont or even if you do, you will find some way to justify it but I think what happened in SA against Asians in the aftermath of Cronje accusation was worse than you will ever see in any sub-continental country.

Ive lived in SA for 2 years only so I have no idea what you are talking about.

And dont get me started on Cronje. Afrikaaners are also stupidly proud people that let there emotions and cultural identity get in the way of reality.

 

[TT Boy]

For me, the Ashes >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> everything else - so a split wouldn't bother me overly. I'm sure many players would appreciate not having to tour the subcontinent, as it's no secret that they don't enjoy it.

Might even be good for cricket in the long run - of course, in an ideal world, the ICC wouldn't be so shambolically incompetent, but until that happens, maybe a split might help.

Tough life, staying in five star hotels and being treated so well...

 

[Fusion]

Tough life, staying in five star hotels and being treated so well...

And I'm sure they HATE the loads of money they're able to generate due to the income pumped in because of Asia. Like you said, tough life!

 

[Sanz]

Ive lived in SA for 2 years only so I have no idea what you are talking about.

Did you have access to newspapers 2 years ago, or you suddenly popped into the internet world ?

 

[Barney Rubble]

Tough life, staying in five star hotels and being treated so well...

I very much doubt the accommodation is that good. And having the runs for two months probably makes up for it anyway. Listen to the interviews - players never talk about what a delight it is to go there, do they?

 

[Sanz]

And dont get me started on Cronje. Afrikaaners are also stupidly proud people that let there emotions and cultural identity get in the way of reality.

So what are you suggesting now that we split ICC into 4 different groups :-

1. Subcontinent group
2. SA group
3. England
4. Rest of the Cricketing world.

 

[silentstriker]

So what are you suggesting now that we split ICC into 4 different groups :-

1. Subcontinent group
2. SA group
3. England
4. Rest of the Cricketing world.

Nah:

1) Black South Africans
2) White South Africans
3) England
4) Wales
5) West Zone India
6) South Zone India
7) East Zone India (and Bangladesh)
8) North Zone India
10) Pakistan - Punjab
11) Pakistan - Rest


This way, we never ever even have to talk to people who are slightly different. Doing so would defeat the purpose of sport.

 

[Goughy]

So what are you suggesting now that we split ICC into 4 different groups :-

1. Subcontinent group
2. SA group
3. England
4. Rest of the Cricketing world.

No I didnt say that. Why do you seem to try and twist everything. You asked a question and I gave a perfectly reasonable answer

 

[TT Boy]

I very much doubt the accommodation is that good. And having the runs for two months probably makes up for it anyway. Listen to the interviews - players never talk about what a delight it is to go there, do they?

That's because when they are in South Africa and Australia they have more opportunities to cheat on there wife’s and G/F’s.

Also in regard to the hotel accommodation from all reports (commentators, journalists) it was superb.

 

[Neil Pickup]

Nah:

1) Black South Africans
2) White South Africans
3) England
4) Wales
5) West Zone India
6) South Zone India
7) East Zone India (and Bangladesh)
8) North Zone India
10) Pakistan - Punjab
11) Pakistan - Rest


This way, we never ever even have to talk to people who are slightly different. Doing so would defeat the purpose of sport.

12) Yorkshire

 

[Fusion]

This way, we never ever even have to talk to people who are slightly different. Doing so would defeat the purpose of sport.

That's what the attitude of those favoring a split seems to be. Like I said, very disturbing.

 

[Goughy]

Nah:

1) Black South Africans
2) White South Africans
3) England
4) Wales
5) West Zone India
6) South Zone India
7) East Zone India (and Bangladesh)
8) North Zone India
10) Pakistan - Punjab
11) Pakistan - Rest


This way, we never ever even have to talk to people who are slightly different. Doing so would defeat the purpose of sport.

Christ almighty, what are you implying?
I deal with Afrikaaners daily, they are very warm and friendly. However, they are very prideful and take exception to the smallest criticism of their culture. They are also capable of overreaction.

How did what I said equate to the above list?

I will tell you now, that I have had a more varied and multi-cultural cricketing history than 99% of people here and have experience of dealing with all sorts in many situations. Some differences can be bridged, it may be that some cant.

The issue we are talking about here is not a minor one, and to compare it to lesser differences is devaluing the situation

 

[Fusion]

Some differences can be bridges, it may be that some cant.

The issue we are talking about here is not a minor one, and to compare it to lesser differences is devaluing the situation

So when we have major differences, let's segrate and ignore the other side. Let's not talk to them. Let's avoid them altogether. That's a wonderful approach that's favored by a lot of extremist groups in all parts of the world.

 

[Sanz]

I very much doubt the accommodation is that good. And having the runs for two months probably makes up for it anyway. Listen to the interviews - players never talk about what a delight it is to go there, do they?

Actually they do, Talk to guys like Brett Lee, Mathew Hayden and they will tell you how much fun it is. Have you ever wondered that the guys who whine about the sub-continent while they wereplaying cricket are just too happy to go there and commentate, coach etc ?

 

[Goughy]

So when we have major differences, let's segrate and ignore the other side. Let's not talk to them. Let's avoid them altogether. That's a wonderful approach that's favored by a lot of extremist groups in all parts of the world.

Well, if you had read an earlier post of mine, I voted that a split would be bad for the game.

I dont want it to happen but there are big issues in different mentalities that are undermining the sport and need to be recognised and addressed to avoid the unwanted split.

 

[Sanz]

I will tell you now, that I have had a more varied and multi-cultural cricketing history than 99% of people here and have experience of dealing with all sorts in many situations. Some differences can be bridged, it may be that some cant.

Doesn't seem that way from your posts.

Anyways, I have already shown how England (gatting episode), SA(Cronje episode) are no different than any of the subcontinent team/fans, hence using your logic it is better that we seggregate cricketing world into 4 groups.

 

[Sanz]

If that happens I will feel really sorry for NZ as they would end up playing Aus all the time.