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"I want a defensive partner"

Langeveldt

Soutie
masterblaster said:
They haven't axed him as such, and he'll probably be 12th man most of the time, because Chopra is one hell of a good short leg/silly point fielder
He is the best short leg I've seen...

Pretty insulting to be using him as a specialist twelfth man.. He hasnt done anything much wrong really...
 

SJS

Hall of Fame Member
Sehwag is wrong on two counts .

Firstly, its not for him to talk on something which is his captains prerogative. Secondly, having two stroke players as something 'undesirable' is not a valid arguement. Present Aussie openers and Windies with Fredricks and Greenidge are two highly successful pairs.

Having said that, Ganguly's arguement that just because Yuvraj is highly talented he should be in the side and since there is no place in the middle order, he should open is equaly sily logic. Wonder what he would have to say if Azhar was available and eligible and in form ? Yuvraj may , just may, score in the opening slot but that wouldnt prove that he was more fit to open than Dravid was when he was tried and failed.
 

Arjun

Cricketer Of The Year
Yuvraj may , just may, score in the opening slot but that wouldnt prove that he was more fit to open than Dravid was when he was tried and failed.
If Dravid put his mind to it and cleared every mental block, he would be one of the best openers in Test cricket
 

SJS

Hall of Fame Member
Arjun said:
If Dravid put his mind to it and cleared every mental block, he would be one of the best openers in Test cricket
Exactly. Thats just the point.

Yet he just happened not to score in those innings and it was concluded that that this was not such a hot idea. Now if Yuvraj happens to score a hundred in the opening slot, it wouldnt mean Gabguly has a great idea.

This is what I meant.

Some of us may remember Nyan Mongia opened in a one off test against Aussies and scored 151 !!
 

Arjun

Cricketer Of The Year
Yet he just happened not to score in those innings and it was concluded that that this was not such a hot idea. Now if Yuvraj happens to score a hundred in the opening slot, it wouldnt mean Gabguly has a great idea.

This is what I meant.

Some of us may remember Nyan Mongia opened in a one off test against Aussies and scored 151 !!
A lot like Deep Sleep or Bangar opening- just one good innings keeps them in the team even if they do nothing of note thereafter, like Lou Vincent.
 

SJS

Hall of Fame Member
Arjun said:
A lot like Deep Sleep or Bangar opening- just one good innings keeps them in the team even if they do nothing of note thereafter, like Lou Vincent.
You said it.
 

tooextracool

International Coach
SJS said:
Secondly, having two stroke players as something 'undesirable' is not a valid arguement. Present Aussie openers and Windies with Fredricks and Greenidge are two highly successful pairs.
but if sehwag feels that he would be more comfortable with a defensive opener then he has every right to say so......perhaps he likes to be the dominant partner when he bats and is pressured to play strokes when other players score faster than him.
 

Sehwag309

Banned
I think this Chopra issue depends on how good Yujraj is as an opener. I mean, we haven't practically seen him at the top.

I hope he does well
 

Raj123

U19 Debutant
tooextracool said:
but if sehwag feels that he would be more comfortable with a defensive opener then he has every right to say so......perhaps he likes to be the dominant partner when he bats and is pressured to play strokes when other players score faster than him.
he'll have to learn to live with it.
i think the problem is, chopra has been playing well & its not fair to drop him.
 

blackcapsrule

State 12th Man
Mr. Ponting said:
I watched Chopra when he came over to Australia, very good technique, very big potential and he did nothing wrong and has done nothing wrong since. Im disappointed.:(
Yes, he didn't deserve to be axed.
 

marc71178

Eyes not spreadsheets
masterblaster said:
They haven't axed him as such, and he'll probably be 12th man most of the time, because Chopra is one hell of a good short leg/silly point fielder
Added to his partnership with Sehwag (brings the best out of him) and you have to wonder why he's being dropped?
 

marc71178

Eyes not spreadsheets
SJS said:
Firstly, its not for him to talk on something which is his captains prerogative.
Or maybe the selectors?


SJS said:
Secondly, having two stroke players as something 'undesirable' is not a valid arguement. Present Aussie openers and Windies with Fredricks and Greenidge are two highly successful pairs.
Do you mean Haynes and Greenidge?

IIRC they weren't anywhere near as aggressive players as current batsmen, but more to the point, they were specialist openers, used to facing the new ball...
 

chicane

State Captain
Yuvraj has loads of talent with the bat and he's the best fielder in the Indian team, one of the best in the world at point. Add to that he bowls useful SLA and you have to wonder why he's being left out?
 

SJS

Hall of Fame Member
marc71178 said:
Or maybe the selectors?
The selectors are not to decide the batting order. That is always the captain's prerpogative.

marc71178 said:
Do you mean Haynes and Greenidge?

IIRC they weren't anywhere near as aggressive players as current batsmen, but more to the point, they were specialist openers, used to facing the new ball
NO.

I meant Fredricks and Greenidge as I said. Haynes was not as aggressive as Fredricks. As far as comparison with current lot in aggression is concerned that is as stupid as you can get. The only way to judge a players aggression is by comparing him by what was the norm in his times.
 
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marc71178

Eyes not spreadsheets
SJS said:
The selectors are not to decide the batting order. That is always the captain's prerpogative.
So how can the captain select a player to open if the selectors don't select hi in the first place?
 

Arjun

Cricketer Of The Year
If Trevor Hohns was chairman of the Indian selection committee, he would play both Chopra and Yuvraj, and drop Ganguly, and serve a notice to him, and also Laxman and Kumble- "Step up in fielding or stay out of the team!" I have never come across even 1 bad fielder in the current Australian teams, since 1999.

So what if Chopra has an average in the mid-20s? Is one bad series really enough to judge a player? He started off well, with an average of 46 in his debut series, so he has some ability. He is the best opener in India, not just in blunting the new ball, but also scoring runs. Makeshift openers don't work in Tests. If they want to send a makeshift opener, they can send in Sachin, because he's far more reliable than Yuvraj or Parthiv. Chopra should also play more limited overs cricket, at any level, to get into the habit of scoring quick runs. Even if he does not score too many runs beyond boundaries, he gets them between wickets.
 

Arjun

Cricketer Of The Year
It worked with Sehwag, why not Yuvraj?
It did not work with Rathour, Badani, The Big Four, Bangar and all those wicketkeepers. It either comes off very well, or it doesn't, with Sehwag. Even in the Australian team, Langer is more defensive, but just attacks to add an extra facet to his batting.
 

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